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Paladium wrote:


BB21 wrote:


Paladium wrote:


DB1985 wrote:


Bielema will be out of Madison within five years for one of two possible reasons...slipping performance or some sort of personal misconduct.


I think personal misconduct is more likely than slipping performance.

I feel that the Wisconsin administration, and most certainly BA, understand that Wisconsin is not one of the teams which will win 9 or 10 games every year, and as long as Wisconsin is making a bowl game on a yearly basis a coach is not going to be fired. Wisconsin has had an amazing streak the past 15 years, especially considering that before BA Wisconsin Football had as much an impact on things as the University of Miami hockey team does.

So, as long as Wisconsin is above .500, I think the administration is not going to fire a coach. However, if Wisconsin has another 10 years playing at a high level (9+ wins a year), then expectations will be much higher than they are now.


Well, I don't know about you but as a Badger fan I've grown to expect more out of the team than a better than .500 year, I don't need another ten years of 9-10 win seasons to feel that way. I think your perception of what is satisfactory at Wisconsin is a bit low.


I'm talking about the administration side, as well as commenting about how, in general, Wisconsin football will be more likely to accept a couple down years (7-5, 8-4), than many other schools are.

I was, in other words, saying that the University of Wisconsin, and its fans, do not have outrageous expectations of its football and 2-3 sub-par (7-5, 8-4) seasons will not lead to a coach being fired. Which, in my mind, is a good thing, especially in this day in age where some programs are willing to wield the axe after one bad year.


I can handle that.

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paladium
DB1985 wrote:


Bielema will be out of Madison within five years for one of two possible reasons...slipping performance or some sort of personal misconduct.


I think personal misconduct is more likely than slipping performance.

I feel that the Wisconsin administration, and most certainly BA, understand that Wisconsin is not one of the teams which will win 9 or 10 games every year, and as long as Wisconsin is making a bowl game on a yearly basis a coach is not going to be fired. Wisconsin has had an amazing streak the past 15 years, especially considering that before BA Wisconsin Football had as much an impact on things as the University of Miami hockey team does.

So, as long as Wisconsin is above .500, I think the administration is not going to fire a coach. However, if Wisconsin has another 10 years playing at a high level (9+ wins a year), then expectations will be much higher than they are now.
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bb211
Paladium wrote:


DB1985 wrote:


Bielema will be out of Madison within five years for one of two possible reasons...slipping performance or some sort of personal misconduct.


I think personal misconduct is more likely than slipping performance.

I feel that the Wisconsin administration, and most certainly BA, understand that Wisconsin is not one of the teams which will win 9 or 10 games every year, and as long as Wisconsin is making a bowl game on a yearly basis a coach is not going to be fired. Wisconsin has had an amazing streak the past 15 years, especially considering that before BA Wisconsin Football had as much an impact on things as the University of Miami hockey team does.

So, as long as Wisconsin is above .500, I think the administration is not going to fire a coach. However, if Wisconsin has another 10 years playing at a high level (9+ wins a year), then expectations will be much higher than they are now.


Well, I don't know about you but as a Badger fan I've grown to expect more out of the team than a better than .500 year, I don't need another ten years of 9-10 win seasons to feel that way. I think your perception of what is satisfactory at Wisconsin is a bit low.

You are not smarter than your favorite team's upper management, so stop trying to be.
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memhoops714
Paladium wrote:


BB21 wrote:


Paladium wrote:


DB1985 wrote:


Bielema will be out of Madison within five years for one of two possible reasons...slipping performance or some sort of personal misconduct.


I think personal misconduct is more likely than slipping performance.

I feel that the Wisconsin administration, and most certainly BA, understand that Wisconsin is not one of the teams which will win 9 or 10 games every year, and as long as Wisconsin is making a bowl game on a yearly basis a coach is not going to be fired. Wisconsin has had an amazing streak the past 15 years, especially considering that before BA Wisconsin Football had as much an impact on things as the University of Miami hockey team does.

So, as long as Wisconsin is above .500, I think the administration is not going to fire a coach. However, if Wisconsin has another 10 years playing at a high level (9+ wins a year), then expectations will be much higher than they are now.


Well, I don't know about you but as a Badger fan I've grown to expect more out of the team than a better than .500 year, I don't need another ten years of 9-10 win seasons to feel that way. I think your perception of what is satisfactory at Wisconsin is a bit low.


I'm talking about the administration side, as well as commenting about how, in general, Wisconsin football will be more likely to accept a couple down years (7-5, 8-4), than many other schools are.

I was, in other words, saying that the University of Wisconsin, and its fans, do not have outrageous expectations of its football and 2-3 sub-par (7-5, 8-4) seasons will not lead to a coach being fired. Which, in my mind, is a good thing, especially in this day in age where some programs are willing to wield the axe after one bad year.


Paladium is spot on with this one.

Often times his opinions and judgments might be a bit skewed about the UW football program, but he hit the nail on the head this time.
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70runner
I guess I don't have a problem with this. It happens all the time. He didn't say you made this up and you lied, he said I don't know if its one of those mythical things... Maybe a minor detail but that to me is much different flat out saying you made it up. I think people think that just because a coach plays it close to the vest or doesn't disclose every little thing to the media or protects the team a bit or gives cliche'/non answers they are arrogant pricks ala Ned Yost. Not every little detail that is being considered needs to be leaked to the media. Maybe Bielema hadn't had any meetings on it. Not saying he had no input but it could have been some side conversations and he told the coach to feel him out and when a decision was made then he would let the media know accordingly. I find this to be no big deal....but then again, I'm not the media.
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cory_old
What are the odds that Bielema even heard of the article with Brescher's quote, let alone read it? the man heads a top 10 football team in a bcs conference, do you think he has time to read an article about his second string lineman in the green bay gazette?

Chances are something like this would have been read/approved by the line coach, who knew that Brescher was going to be redshirted and probably knew that Bielema was going to keep it quiet in case they changed their minds (he's probably thinking, if i come out and say i'm going to redshirt him, then we decide not to, and i'll have to explain that and maybe the explanation is one i don't want to make public, so i'll avoid going down that road). the line coach reports to bielema that the article doesn't ruffle any feathers and that's the end of it. Bielema then continues with his day, ignorant of what's in the article, because it's just not important.
The guy doesn't like the media, so what? There are a lot of journalist's out there with axes to grind or angles to find with the only thought being their own personal gain or attention. there are a lot of journalist's who could give a crap about what effects the competitors and just want to do what they think is best for their career, that's what Bielema is doing. the road goes both ways.

I'm not saying there aren't journalist's worth their salt, there are more good reporters then bad, just as there are more players/coaches who are good to the media then there as guys who treat the press like dirt. It's a part of the sports game, I don't think it's a big deal, and it definitely shouldn't be something that brings a coach closer to being fired, unless the coach crosses a serious line, like going off on a specific reporter for no reason, or doing something that there is no question in anyone's mind is an embarressment to the university. Are his players going to class, getting grades, not getting in trouble and busting their humps on the field? is the coach winning games? if you can answer yes to those, then who cares if he makes a dumb generalization about the media.

I'm beginning to fear that wisconsinites are turning into philadelphians. People call having been calling for Yost's head since he got here (although they may be right), People want Tompson gone because of the favre, and now people are calling for Bielema to be gone in 5 years. what have these guys done? Yost's brewers are on track for their first playoff run since 82, Tompson has the packers in position to be pretty darn good for the forseeable future and Bielema taken what Alverez did and turned Wisconsin into a Top 10-15 team every year. What a terrible job by those three. (i know, this paragraph is a little generalization and kind of biting, but what happened to the laid back folk wisconsin is known for? it's like Favre's crap has left the whole state bitter)
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tweb1216
diener34 wrote:


BB said people in the media sometimes make things up. They do.

He didnt call the guy a liar. He generalized about people in his profession. I still fail to see the problem. Do you want him fired or something?

I've never been a fan of the idea that coaches and anyone for that matter who deals with the media has to be nice just because, when all the time the media Never holds back on the coach or whoever.

I'll use Yost as an example. Writers and Media are Always ripping on Yost, but whenever he gets upset or says something back at the media, he's arrogant and a prick.

Just because you have a press pass doesnt mean you dont have to be ready to be called stuff.


exactly, its not like the comment by BB is going to spark an investigation on this guy.

why is this a big deal? what do you want to happen to him? for all we know, he didnt know that a redshirt was being discussed. his line coach might have see skill in the kid, and thought about redshirting him, and brought it up to the kid to see if he was interested, before bothering the big guy about it.

the fact is we dont know why he said what he said. it wasnt a personal attack on the guy, it was a blanket statement. was it smart, no, but he is paid to be smart about football, not media relations. this really isnt a big deal

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tweb1216
i 100% agree cory.

It doesnt make any sense to look at this with a microscope. the man has more important things to worry about than one of his players being interviewed in his hometown paper. for all he knew, the story wasnt out yet, and the guy was making something up. was he right? yeah, but that doesnt mean that bret knew that the guy knew. he didnt call him a flat out liar, he was playing a roster decision quiet until he and his staff knew what they wanted to do for sure. you cant blame a guy because of what he says with the media. he is here to coach a football team. dealing with the media is an annoyance for most coaches, but they have to do it. don't get all upset because he more focused with what is going on inside his team than what is going on outside. I would be worried if it was the other way around.
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travis12
tweb1216 wrote:


i 100% agree cory.

It doesnt make any sense to look at this with a microscope. the man has more important things to worry about than one of his players being interviewed in his hometown paper. for all he knew, the story wasnt out yet, and the guy was making something up. was he right? yeah, but that doesnt mean that bret knew that the guy knew. he didnt call him a flat out liar, he was playing a roster decision quiet until he and his staff knew what they wanted to do for sure. you cant blame a guy because of what he says with the media. he is here to coach a football team. dealing with the media is an annoyance for most coaches, but they have to do it. don't get all upset because he more focused with what is going on inside his team than what is going on outside. I would be worried if it was the other way around.


"...that's one of those mythical things you guys create and put out there..."

How is that not calling someone a liar? Some of you guys are totally missing the point. I would have no problem if Bielema didn't want to talk about the issue and just said it was a matter he wasn't going to address. But that quote above is directly from Bielema and it does insinuate (and anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain wrong) that he is calling the reporter a liar, when it just isn't the case. Bielema can hide his team all he wants, I don't really care. He can close practice, not divulge depth chart info, not want to give the media stuff....that's all fine with me actually. But deliberately calling someone's integrity into question when you know its not the case is a problem. As I said before, reporters who make stories up end up unemployed very quickly. So accusing someone of doing so is wrong and in bad judgement by Bielema. And I like Bielema as a coach and think he can take us to the next level that Barry couldn't seem to...which is the national level and BCS (not just Rose Bowl) level.

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diener34
BB said people in the media sometimes make things up. They do.

He didnt call the guy a liar. He generalized about people in his profession. I still fail to see the problem. Do you want him fired or something?

I've never been a fan of the idea that coaches and anyone for that matter who deals with the media has to be nice just because, when all the time the media Never holds back on the coach or whoever.

I'll use Yost as an example. Writers and Media are Always ripping on Yost, but whenever he gets upset or says something back at the media, he's arrogant and a prick.

Just because you have a press pass doesnt mean you dont have to be ready to be called stuff.
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wisportswriter
How are you guys not getting PistolPete's point?

What do you want? Do you want him fired? Etc., etc. ...

It seems to me PistolPete would just like the face of his favorite college football team to represent the program, university, home state and fans a little better by acting with a little more respect.

I don't see how that's such a grand request.

(Before the gratuitous comments about how media doesn't treat others with respect comes, and it will, I'm not getting involved in that one. There's a difference between being critical and being disrespectful. Nobody in the media has falsely accused BB of lying.)
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[link=http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/33389154.html]Beckum hopes to be training by late January[/link][/font] By of the Journal Sentinel [/font]
Oct. 27, 2008 | Madison ? Although Travis Beckum has played his final game for the University of Wisconsin, it remains unclear whether the season-ending injury he suffered will hamper his ability to test for pro scouts before the 2009 National Football League draft.[/font]
?Hopefully the way it looks it might be sometime toward the end of January where he could be running,? UW coach Bret Bielema said today.[/font]
Beckum suffered a broken left fibula in UW?s 27-17 victory over Illinois on Saturday.[/font]
If he is able to start training by late January, he would have about a month to prepare for the NFL Scouting Combine.[/font]
Also, UW generally holds its pro timing day on campus each March, a little more than a month before the NFL draft.[/font]
?Obviously Travis has gone through a range of emotions,? Bielema said. ?He has gotten better by the hour as far as his spirits. Travis has an unyielding spirit.?[/font]
Bielema noted Beckum will eventually speak to reporters and explained why he released an official statement Sunday clarifying the nature of the injury and Beckum?s status.[/font]
?The reason I put out a press release,? he said, ?I didn?t want the Internet mafia to start creating injuries that weren?t out there?He had surgery at a UW hospital. People are involved in the surgery. People are involved in his recovery. You just didn?t want something to get out there that wasn?t true.?[/font]


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