jess23 Show full post »
nospotshooters
whfan202 wrote:

How did that system work back then? That is ridiculous. 


The nicest thing you could say about the BCS era, is that it was better than not having any postseason football.

1976

From the beginning, everyone knew what the fatal flaw was, there were 16 spots for 40+ conference champions.

The 4 classes were sorted by the average enrollment within the conference, not the individual school. At the start of the season everyone knew what class they would be in, should they qualify. To qualify there was a highly convoluted scoring system.
  • 100 points for every win
  • 10 points every time a team you beat wins a game
  • Total points are then divided by the number of games you played
It becomes confusing because: not every game was an official "qualifying game". Non-conference games outside of your class, as well as games against WISSA, did not count. Add into this that the regular season back then was ten weeks, season lengths for each school varied between 6-10 games.

These quirks allowed Menomonee Falls East to win the first ever Class A title, despite an 8-2 record.

1977

Minor adjustments were made to the point formula to address what constituted a qualifying game. When the regular season ended the Class AA rankings were: 1. Madison West 2. Madison East. When dozens of conference champs are sitting at home, having two Big 8 teams qualify was not a good look. (the rankings did not = seeds for some reason as West/East met in the semifinal. West would win the AA Title) 

The 2nd year would be the final for this era of the BCS; much like the 2011 LSU/Bama saga. 

1978

Only conference champions are eligible, only 1 school per league (tie-breakers used if needed). Classes are replaced with divisions, a fifth division is added. But there will still be dozens of champs left out.

The points formula has also been retired. A new, equally bad, system has replaced it. The criteria in order:
  • your record
  • cumulative record of your opponents
The glaring issue with this system was that a 1 loss team that played a brutal schedule would automatically be behind all undefeated teams... This was especially an issue in D5 where every year would have 10+ undefeated teams.

1979

No major changes.

1980

Division 5 doubled to 8 teams. That did not help 12th ranked Cashton: 8-0 zero points allowed, or 11th ranked Belleville: 9-0 seven points allowed. In D4 where still only 4 teams qualified; 5th ranked River Valley went 8-1, a 3-0 non-conference loss to the Dells to open the season were the only points they allowed.

Prior to the season, the WIAA had already approved the plan that qualified ALL conference champs... set to begin in 1981.


The BCS era ended in 1981, a sixth division was created and all conference champs qualified. HOWEVER, a substantial issue remained. The old formula used to determine division cut-lines based on conference average from '76 was still used. Teams knew in August what division they were in. In an era of unbalanced enrollments, no team benefited from this loophole more than Two Rivers. They won three straight D3 titles from 80-82, routinely facing teams sometimes half their enrollment in the playoffs. Teams would not be sorted by individual enrollment (like today) until 1985.

Keep in mind that all this time, the regular season was still ten weeks. I wonder if anyone realized that scaling back to 8-9 weeks would have allowed all conference champs to play?

The creation of the BCS in 1976 also mean't the death of the AP & UPI media rankings. Despite the BCS dying after 1980, these fun snapshots would not return until the AP was reborn in 1998.

---

With enrollment-based re-alignment coming next year, (first proposed in 1983) I would support going back to the system where your division was already known in August. Perhaps the 2019 Catholic Memorial death train will make people leery of future drop-drowns.

The current playoff structure suffers from bloating/mediocrity. (contract D7 !) But, having too many playoff teams is better than the above.
Quote 1 0
racingphotoguy1
Melvin Gordon Trey Wayans Vonte Jackson 2009 Bradford losing in level 3 was the best team I ever saw not win state.
Quote 0 0
stbone92
2019 Stratford...duh
Quote 0 0
db11
stbone92 wrote:
2019 Stratford...duh


😂
https://twitter.com/barwickipedia - Follow me. Because we all need a bit of sports snark in our lives.

"Doin' right ain't got no end."
-The Outlaw Josey Wales

"'Allegedly' is right, Mr. Polian. I have a hole in my ear drum, I'd never go for a swim, no matter how drunk me is."
-Pat McAfee
Quote 0 0
dkelly28


The nicest thing you could say about the BCS era, is that it was better than not having any postseason football.

1976

From the beginning, everyone knew what the fatal flaw was, there were 16 spots for 40+ conference champions.

The 4 classes were sorted by the average enrollment within the conference, not the individual school. At the start of the season everyone knew what class they would be in, should they qualify. To qualify there was a highly convoluted scoring system.
  • 100 points for every win
  • 10 points every time a team you beat wins a game
  • Total points are then divided by the number of games you played
It becomes confusing because: not every game was an official "qualifying game". Non-conference games outside of your class, as well as games against WISSA, did not count. Add into this that the regular season back then was ten weeks, season lengths for each school varied between 6-10 games.

These quirks allowed Menomonee Falls East to win the first ever Class A title, despite an 8-2 record.

1977

Minor adjustments were made to the point formula to address what constituted a qualifying game. When the regular season ended the Class AA rankings were: 1. Madison West 2. Madison East. When dozens of conference champs are sitting at home, having two Big 8 teams qualify was not a good look. (the rankings did not = seeds for some reason as West/East met in the semifinal. West would win the AA Title) 

The 2nd year would be the final for this era of the BCS; much like the 2011 LSU/Bama saga. 

1978

Only conference champions are eligible, only 1 school per league (tie-breakers used if needed). Classes are replaced with divisions, a fifth division is added. But there will still be dozens of champs left out.

The points formula has also been retired. A new, equally bad, system has replaced it. The criteria in order:
  • your record
  • cumulative record of your opponents
The glaring issue with this system was that a 1 loss team that played a brutal schedule would automatically be behind all undefeated teams... This was especially an issue in D5 where every year would have 10+ undefeated teams.

1979

No major changes.

1980

Division 5 doubled to 8 teams. That did not help 12th ranked Cashton: 8-0 zero points allowed, or 11th ranked Belleville: 9-0 seven points allowed. In D4 where still only 4 teams qualified; 5th ranked River Valley went 8-1, a 3-0 non-conference loss to the Dells to open the season were the only points they allowed.

Prior to the season, the WIAA had already approved the plan that qualified ALL conference champs... set to begin in 1981.


The BCS era ended in 1981, a sixth division was created and all conference champs qualified. HOWEVER, a substantial issue remained. The old formula used to determine division cut-lines based on conference average from '76 was still used. Teams knew in August what division they were in. In an era of unbalanced enrollments, no team benefited from this loophole more than Two Rivers. They won three straight D3 titles from 80-82, routinely facing teams sometimes half their enrollment in the playoffs. Teams would not be sorted by individual enrollment (like today) until the mid-80s.

Keep in mind that all this time, the regular season was still ten weeks. I wonder if anyone realized that scaling back to 8-9 weeks would have allowed all conference champs to play?

The creation of the BCS in 1976 also mean't the death of the AP & UPI media rankings. Despite the BCS dying after 1980, these fun snapshots would not return until the AP was reborn in 1998.

---

With enrollment-based re-alignment coming next year, (first proposed in 1983) I would support going back to the system where your division was already known in August. Perhaps the 2019 Catholic Memorial death train will make people leery of future drop-drowns.

The current playoff structure suffers from bloating/mediocrity. (contract D7 !) But, having too many playoff teams is better than the above.


In 1977, Prairie du Chien went 9-0 but missed the playoffs because Westby (not on Prairie's schedule that year) upset Viroqua (a conference opponent) in the last week of the season and thus caused Prairie to finish 5th in the rankings. A win by Viroqua would have placed the Hawks 4th and back in the playoffs. It's how PdC won 19 consecutive games over 1977-78 without winning a state championship.

Back to this thread's topic when it comes to picking the best Prairie du Chien team to suggest, I don't even know what is even the best team in Prairie du Chien History to not win state.

There are so many choices like 1976 (10-0, lost Iowa-Grant in state semifinals), 1977 (9-0 but missed the playoffs), 1978 (10-0 before losing to Plymouth in the D3 Championship), 1980 (went 7-1 and only gave up 16 points the entire season but 3 of those came in a very costly 3-0 homecoming loss to River Valley in week 5 which cost them the conference title and possibly a trip to the playoffs), 1981 (8-1 with the only loss again coming to River Valley by the score of 14-8), 1984 (9-0 regular season before getting steamrolled 40-8 by Westby in the state quarterfinals),1985 (11-0 before losing to Seymour in the D3 Championship or 1988 (11-2 with one loss coming in overtime in week 2 at defending Iowa Class 3A State Champion Decorah who would then go on to repeat as Iowa Class 3A state champs and then 11 weeks later to powerhouse Northwestern in the D3 Championship)......
WSN'er since 2002! 2006 Wissports Hall of Fame Inductee.
Quote 0 0
wr88
I'd like to say the 1998 Wisconsin Rapids team. 
Had two barn burner games with DCE, a 70-63 Big-12-esq game in the regular season, and then Level 4 23-20 with DCE winning on a last-second field goal.
The 2011 Rapids team was very good too. They were, for sure, a defense oriented team with Vince Biegel at the helm. They fell to Kenosha Bradford 7-0 via a late touchdown. 
A Playoff will not be any more fair than the BCS.
No matter what happens, Favre > Rodgers.
St. Louis Cardinals = Class of MLB.
Carlos Gomez is the new Nyjer Morgan.....
Twitter
Quote 0 0
wissportsnet

Boys Basketball Alumni Round-up: February 21st, from @ColtonWilson23 #wisbb -- https://t.co/0K6CZzZWpf https://t.co/715tfpBGVS

wissportsnet

WSN15: Boys Basketball Top Teams #12 -- Two NCAA Division I players at one WIAA Division 4 school = state champions… https://t.co/1MThqzce9L

wissportsnet

Predicting winners of every state wrestling title plus a look By The Numbers, from @Nate_Woelfel -… https://t.co/HgU1bLP7d6

wissportsnet

Join the free Boys Basketball Playoff Pick 'Em Contest; Staff picks coming Tuesday #wisbb -- https://t.co/Y6yTA3OgP8 https://t.co/hA6Uyw9uje