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hoopsgalore
Just to clear things up between you two (minor correction):

It's Jevan Snead, not Javon
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leecorso
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Regardless, he will be riding the pine if he stays at Texas. Personally, I would love to see him take a look at possibly transferring to Miami.

Also, I see my score has somehow jumped from a -2 to a +2. Anyone care to explain what this is all about?



He has already been released from his scholarship and is looking at TCU, Houston, Louisville, and Ole Miss.
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paladium
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If you read what I said, you'll understand. A recruit is ranked based on how good he is, so, naturally, the higher ranked recruits do better in college. That, as I said, is not always the case. However, there are reasons why some programs are always towards the top, and that is because of the level of recruit they get. If your getting 5 or 6 of the top 100 each year, odds are 3 or 4 will be big time players. If, instead, you are getting 5 or 6 players ranked 300-400, maybe 1 or 2 will be big time players. He might be a big time player, which will be great, but don't start annoiting him unless everyone in the nation wants him. Oh, have you heard of:
Tim Tebow, Matthew Stafford, Mitch Mustain, Emmanuel Moody, C.G. Gable, C.J. Spiller, Javon Snead...? Big time prospects, top recruits, continuing their level of play. There are a ton more top prospects at the top then lower prospects, so what I said does make sense, if you read it.


Javon Snead? LMAO the kid is transferring. What about Steve Slaton or Pat White? Both were 3 star specials yet they combine for one of the best backfields in the nation. Your logic is crazy. If Rivals rankings were accurate on there evaluations of the players no coaches would evaluate themselves. Coaches would hop on Rivals, read what those so called analysts say and then offer the top players.

Of course you never addressed the fact that all the players I mentioned. Here's another one I will throw at you. Santana Moss as a senior at Miami Carol City High, he flew under the radar. Why? He caught 7 passes all year but 6 went for touchdowns. Do you think Rivals knew of him? Of course when Miami made their OWN evaluations they found a diamond in the rough.

I could on and on. South Florida kids especially are overlooked by your coveted Rivals analysts. Why? There's too many to cover. Also they don't put up ridiculously high statistics because they are playing against the top competition in the country hands down.

Conversely, top rated Miami recruits such as Ryan Moore and Devin Hester have been busts. Hell, I'll throw Willie Williams and Kyle Wright in there. So it that Miami just missed on their evaluations? Doubtful, we have seen what Devin Hester can do with the ball in his hands.

So what does it come down to? Coaching and proper evaluation. Its not a race to get the best recruits. If that were the case Florida would have won with Zook and Texas would have ruled the Big 12 when Oklahoma did.


1) Its not rivals. I go by Tom Ligubini, the ESPN Guru.
2) Florida is winning with Zook's guys. This guys, this year, are the guys Ron Zook recruited. Say what you want about him, but his recruiting classes are the ones winning.
3) Snead is transfering, and is a sought after player for schools that need a QB.
4) As I posted, rankings are big for a couple reasons. The better the player in High School, the higher they are ranked. Why do NFL teams draft All-Americans? Because THEY HAVE PROVED THEMSELVES AT THE PRIOR LEVEL!!! Following your analysis, Why pick Reggie Bush or Vince Young? After all, recruiting means nothing.

Recruiting rankings are not the end of the world, but they show what someone has done at the prior level. You draft, and you recruit, based of how every has prefromed already. Rankings rank who has preformed the best, so you go after those players.

Also, I checked. ESPN did a story on Santana Moss when he was in HS for recruiting purposes. So yes, they did know of him.

Also, if you won't base your recruiting on rankings and such, how would you recruit players? They are ranked based upon how good they are, so what would you use? Personality, how they look? Tell me what you would use in place of rankings on how good a player is. I, and every coach in the nation, is dying to hear how you recruit if not based upon rankings and how good a player is.
The Brewers will finish 90-72 and earn the #1 WC berth.

Carlos Gomez will have a 30/40 season (HR/SB) and win a 2nd Gold Glove en route to an All Star selection.
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paladium
South Florida? hmmm... Hasn't Southern California become the home of top athletes for Football? Atleast in large segments of the country it has.

Also, a kid who puts up those numbers in South Florida would be a top ranked recruit (See Noel Devine), over someone from indiana or Wisconsin with better numbers.

Where do you think the guys running the recruiting places go? The combines, the games, work ethich, interview their coachs... They do everything college coach does in evaluating players, if not more as they don't have to coach, only evaluate.

Do you honestly think that they only good at stats, and then rank based off that? If so, then you shouldn't even be having a conversation about this. Also, what you described as what you would do, is the same thing recruiters do. RANK THE PROSPECTS! You look at film, work ethic, grades, stats, competition, and then you grade them based on how they preform. And yea, there will always be players who are not ranked high and turn out to be great. Lets look at it this year, for the Saints. They drafted Colston, and he has been amazing. Would you have looked at him and drafted him in the first or second round? No, because he hadn't yet matured and played to his full value. Recruiters, and coaches, rank the players based off what they have done to date and what can be expected of them to do at the next level based on past history and accomplishments. Are they always right? No. But they usually rank the ones who prefrom great high. Not always, but usually.

Want examples from this year, in college football?

1) Mitch Mustain. A top QB prospect, was undefeated as a starter at Arkansas. Arkansas only lost when they pulled him for Casey Dick. He exceeded expectations which were already pretty high, and he was ranked high. Oh yea, the #1 QB prospect in the nation.
2) Tim Tebow, Percy Harvin. #1 WR, #4 QB. Have they not lived up to their hype?
3) Taylor Mays, C.J. Gable, Emmanuel Moody. #1 Safety, #9 RB, #4 RB. Those three have lived up to the hype, all playing at a high level when they are on the field. Oh yea, Mays is the Pac-10 Defensive rookie of the year, and HM All-Pac-10 as a true freshman safety. Moody is averagin 5.8 yards a carry with over 100 carries.
4) C.J. Spiller. #5 RB, definitly lived up to the hype. Dominated the ACC along with former #6 RB James Davis.

Want to go back a couple years?
1) J.D. Booty. Top 5 QB out of HS... expected to be in the thick of the heismen next year. Fred Davis. The TOP TE prospect out of HS. One of the top TE's in CF today.
2) DeSean Jackson. Top WR recruit, #3 I believe, and is also expected to be in the running for heismen.
3) McFadden. Was a top 15 RB coming out of HS. He lived up to the hype of being one of the top RB's around.

See what I'm getting at? The odds of getting a stud player go up the higher ranked they are. Its not impossible to find a diamond in the rough, as with some 11,700 (117x100, typical roster size) kids suiting up in D1A ball there are plenty of people who slip through the gaps. Complain all you want, but history has shown that you have a better shot to get a player from the top rankings than the bottom.
The Brewers will finish 90-72 and earn the #1 WC berth.

Carlos Gomez will have a 30/40 season (HR/SB) and win a 2nd Gold Glove en route to an All Star selection.
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paladium
As I've said, I completly ignore rivals.com Look at ESPN if you want the better goods. Was USC in 2005 the msot talented team? Hell yea. Who is going to argue with that point. Leinart, Jarret, Bush- 3 Heismen contenders on one team. That ever happen before? Baker, Kalil- Both All-Americans this year and HM last year. Ellis, Jackson, top notch D-linemen. That 2005 USC team lost to Texas, yes, but watch the film, and they kinda gave it away. Bush trying that pitch to begin the game... Carrol calls any play but White up the gut gets them that 4th down... and Young played his best game he probably ever will play as well. I'd still pick USC 7 times out of 10 against that USC team, and probably 8 or 9 times out of 10 against any other team.

ESPN's top 10 for next year. 4 of them, including 3 of the top 4, are from So Cal. 1 is from Florida, zero from Texas. top 150? 15 from Cal, or 10%. Florida, 10, Texax, 10.
Oh yea, Aldrige wasn't even ESPN top 150. And Devine is the number 5 overall prospect, only Florida guy in top 35. So Cal has 5.

Just answer this question. If rankings mean nothing, why then do the top programs go after the top ranked players, and seem to ignore the non-ranked players? If rankings mean nothing, why do coachs always seem to fight over the highest ranked guys?
The Brewers will finish 90-72 and earn the #1 WC berth.

Carlos Gomez will have a 30/40 season (HR/SB) and win a 2nd Gold Glove en route to an All Star selection.
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hoopsgalore
And why do we consistently see big time programs that recruit big time players at the top? USC, Florida, Texas, Ohio State, Miami (aside from this season), Michigan, etc.

There will always be diamonds in the rough, that's a given. Fact is though, you find better players at the top.
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All this argument proves is that some highly touted recruits live up to the billing and some fizzle out miserably. Regardless of evaluations, only time will tell if the recruits are successful or not.
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