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CannonBall6 wrote:


ABC wrote:


And you wonder why people dislike Waunakee.? For starters they bury everyone in football and have the best football program in the state and now people talk more trash about basketball than anywhere.? Waunakee has established itself as a big time basketball program.? I think Mackenzie is in year 6 or 7, and when you have a program it just continues to grow and stay strong.? ?Hurd is going to be a lot like Siebert in my opinion.? An absolute stud but not a ton around him.? Baraboo's supporting cast was very good last year.? Portage has Olson and Hurd.? I know other kids were mentioned.....need to show me a bit before I buy in.? Sauk has experienced players with size and strength and they are showing it.? Reedsburg's loss surprised me, but again....2 main guys and a lot of guys who haven't proven anything.? I know they have a 6'6 kid, but I need to see him play and consistently perform before I buy in there too.? Deforest is talented as heck, but again we talk about underachieving a lot.? Perhaps this is a year they put it together.? Coaches have to get kids to elevate their games and it doesnt sound like this happens there.? Give the guy @ Mt Horeb the Deforest talent.....see what happens.? These are fun opinion boards. Opinions!?? I love it when the Waunakee people (and East last year) start spewing out FACTS (notice my use of capital letters!)



Are you talking about me (talking trash)? all i was trying to say in my post was that waunakee won't get beat in conference by a single player, if a team is going to beat waunakee they are going to have to play TEAM ball.. thats all i was trying to prove with my FACTS. waunakee is super athletic and can put in guy after guy to stop a teams best player. yes hurd had 19 against waunakee, BUT he probably shot% 25. i (personally) just think you need to have alot of different guys score and play as a team so that waunakee cant focus defensively on one player.



They are not Facts that your stating Cannonballs they are OPINIONS. ?Waunakee has a lot of skilled players, that are capable of contributing, however the Badger North in general has LOTS of athletic kids. ?Waunakee wins because of the number of skilled players they have not the fact that they are Super Athletic. ?Those players are skilled due to thier outstanding coaching staff. ?They should have the ability to develop student athletes, they have 200+ more students than anyone in the badger, and 400-500 more than 4 of the badger schools! ?This is not Waunakee's fault, it is something they use to thier advantage to develop players.
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hoops2104
CannonBall6 wrote:


hoops2104 wrote:


I hope your kidding with the Monroe statement....2 years ago when Waunakee went to Monroe and held them to 31 points, Monroe was without their BEST player Senior guard Brett Stangl who was out with a broken ankle.? Mitch was very good, but he was way better as a senior.? Anyone who thinks Monroe doesn't play team ball has never watch the Cheesemakers play.? Stangl got that fracture playing against Freeport Illinois.? He is the guy that set all the state scoring records the year before.?

All Baraboo was last year was the Siebert show, they won alot of games, but they were what they were.



Im not saying monroe in general didnt play as a team. they were without a doubt one of the best "teams" in the state. i was just giving an example of 1 game. im just saying they were a little one sided without stangl playing. personally i thought tordoff was the better player because he was the pg and made everything go. btw waunakee was also without their 2nd best player derek dailey who missed most of the season with a broken leg.


Who? While I am sure he was a contributor to Waunakee's success, Derek Dailey was not Brett Stangl.


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waunakee would be a force no matter what conference they were in. just throwing that out there. i would put them against Milwaukee Marquette in football and like there chances.
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CannonBall6_old
hoops2104 wrote:


ABC wrote:


And you wonder why people dislike Waunakee. For starters they bury everyone in football and have the best football program in the state and now people talk more trash about basketball than anywhere. Waunakee has established itself as a big time basketball program. I think Mackenzie is in year 6 or 7, and when you have a program it just continues to grow and stay strong. Hurd is going to be a lot like Siebert in my opinion. An absolute stud but not a ton around him. Baraboo's supporting cast was very good last year. Portage has Olson and Hurd. I know other kids were mentioned.....need to show me a bit before I buy in. Sauk has experienced players with size and strength and they are showing it. Reedsburg's loss surprised me, but again....2 main guys and a lot of guys who haven't proven anything. I know they have a 6'6 kid, but I need to see him play and consistently perform before I buy in there too. Deforest is talented as heck, but again we talk about underachieving a lot. Perhaps this is a year they put it together. Coaches have to get kids to elevate their games and it doesnt sound like this happens there. Give the guy @ Mt Horeb the Deforest talent.....see what happens. These are fun opinion boards. Opinions! I love it when the Waunakee people (and East last year) start spewing out FACTS (notice my use of capital letters!)




They are not Facts that your stating Cannonballs they are OPINIONS. Waunakee has a lot of skilled players, that are capable of contributing, however the Badger North in general has LOTS of athletic kids. Waunakee wins because of the number of skilled players they have not the fact that they are Super Athletic. Those players are skilled due to thier outstanding coaching staff. They should have the ability to develop student athletes, they have 200+ more students than anyone in the badger, and 400-500 more than 4 of the badger schools! This is not Waunakee's fault, it is something they use to thier advantage to develop players.


My use of facts was a joke.. if you noticed what ABC said. obviously u have a problem with waunakee, maybe you got beat by them too many times during high school in football and basketball?? not really sure why your trying to disagree with everything i say. When did i say other schools didnt have athletic kids? I didn't. Take a chill pill buddy..

BTW seeing as derek dailey was the 2nd best player on a 23-1 team that was 1 game away from the state tourney, i'd say he was probably a pretty capable player. Im sure you would have heard plenty about him had he not been injured for 90% of his sr senior.

"Waunakee wins because of the number of skilled player they have not the fact that they are Super Athletic. Those players are skilled due to thier outstanding coaching staff."
Is that a FACT or an OPINION??!?!?!?!





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numbersgeek
hoops2104 wrote:


They should have the ability to develop student athletes, they have 200+ more students than anyone in the badger, and 400-500 more than 4 of the badger schools! This is not Waunakee's fault, it is something they use to thier advantage to develop players.


Nope, not right. This is only the third year that Waunakee has even been the largest school in the Badger. Defo and Boo are about 100 kids behind. Sauk, Portage and Reedsburg are about 250 behind. Mt. Horeb is 400 behind. There are size differences in every conference. As recently as six years ago, Waunakee was sixth out of seven in size in the BN. Don't overstate to make your case. use FACTS!
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ABC_old
And you wonder why people dislike Waunakee. For starters they bury everyone in football and have the best football program in the state and now people talk more trash about basketball than anywhere. Waunakee has established itself as a big time basketball program. I think Mackenzie is in year 6 or 7, and when you have a program it just continues to grow and stay strong. Hurd is going to be a lot like Siebert in my opinion. An absolute stud but not a ton around him. Baraboo's supporting cast was very good last year. Portage has Olson and Hurd. I know other kids were mentioned.....need to show me a bit before I buy in. Sauk has experienced players with size and strength and they are showing it. Reedsburg's loss surprised me, but again....2 main guys and a lot of guys who haven't proven anything. I know they have a 6'6 kid, but I need to see him play and consistently perform before I buy in there too. Deforest is talented as heck, but again we talk about underachieving a lot. Perhaps this is a year they put it together. Coaches have to get kids to elevate their games and it doesnt sound like this happens there. Give the guy @ Mt Horeb the Deforest talent.....see what happens. These are fun opinion boards. Opinions! I love it when the Waunakee people (and East last year) start spewing out FACTS (notice my use of capital letters!)
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CannonBall6_old
numbersgeek wrote:


hoops2104 wrote:


They should have the ability to develop student athletes, they have 200+ more students than anyone in the badger, and 400-500 more than 4 of the badger schools! This is not Waunakee's fault, it is something they use to thier advantage to develop players.


Nope, not right. This is only the third year that Waunakee has even been the largest school in the Badger. Defo and Boo are about 100 kids behind. Sauk, Portage and Reedsburg are about 250 behind. Mt. Horeb is 400 behind. There are size differences in every conference. As recently as six years ago, Waunakee was sixth out of seven in size in the BN. Don't overstate to make your case. use FACTS!



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bigpain63_old
ha, cant really say they bury everyone in football....they did have a 13-1 record which there loss came to the burg...so just making sure that you know they are not invincible..but its basketball season so keep it to that...
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ABC_old
Ok, I stand corrected. Yes, they lost to Reedsburg. But I think as a general rule the last 10+ yrs of absolute conference dominance speak for themselves and I would have to imagine that schools around the area are getting tired of perennially getting destroyed by Waunakee football.
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CannonBall6_old
hoops2104 wrote:


I hope your kidding with the Monroe statement....2 years ago when Waunakee went to Monroe and held them to 31 points, Monroe was without their BEST player Senior guard Brett Stangl who was out with a broken ankle. Mitch was very good, but he was way better as a senior. Anyone who thinks Monroe doesn't play team ball has never watch the Cheesemakers play. Stangl got that fracture playing against Freeport Illinois. He is the guy that set all the state scoring records the year before.

All Baraboo was last year was the Siebert show, they won alot of games, but they were what they were.



Im not saying monroe in general didnt play as a team. they were without a doubt one of the best "teams" in the state. i was just giving an example of 1 game. im just saying they were a little one sided without stangl playing. personally i thought tordoff was the better player because he was the pg and made everything go. btw waunakee was also without their 2nd best player derek dailey who missed most of the season with a broken leg.
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CannonBall6_old
ABC wrote:


And you wonder why people dislike Waunakee. For starters they bury everyone in football and have the best football program in the state and now people talk more trash about basketball than anywhere. Waunakee has established itself as a big time basketball program. I think Mackenzie is in year 6 or 7, and when you have a program it just continues to grow and stay strong. Hurd is going to be a lot like Siebert in my opinion. An absolute stud but not a ton around him. Baraboo's supporting cast was very good last year. Portage has Olson and Hurd. I know other kids were mentioned.....need to show me a bit before I buy in. Sauk has experienced players with size and strength and they are showing it. Reedsburg's loss surprised me, but again....2 main guys and a lot of guys who haven't proven anything. I know they have a 6'6 kid, but I need to see him play and consistently perform before I buy in there too. Deforest is talented as heck, but again we talk about underachieving a lot. Perhaps this is a year they put it together. Coaches have to get kids to elevate their games and it doesnt sound like this happens there. Give the guy @ Mt Horeb the Deforest talent.....see what happens. These are fun opinion boards. Opinions! I love it when the Waunakee people (and East last year) start spewing out FACTS (notice my use of capital letters!)



Are you talking about me (talking trash)? all i was trying to say in my post was that waunakee won't get beat in conference by a single player, if a team is going to beat waunakee they are going to have to play TEAM ball.. thats all i was trying to prove with my FACTS. waunakee is super athletic and can put in guy after guy to stop a teams best player. yes hurd had 19 against waunakee, BUT he probably shot% 25. i (personally) just think you need to have alot of different guys score and play as a team so that waunakee cant focus defensively on one player.
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ABC_old
Ok Ok. All I was trying to do was make a point. About facts vs opinions. Wasnt calling anyone in particular out. Unlike last yr when I did call out some Big 8 people for seemingly having all the answers. I am not a Waunakee person, but I am a Waunakee fan. As stated by me countless times....the resurrection of that program was nothing short of miraculous. They have always had athletes....now they have athletic basketball players. Deforest always has a ton of athletes too....and they seemingly fall short every year. I like the debate and I agree that this year will be a very competitive and evenly matched conference season. No truly great team and no truly bad teams. And I wouldnt be so quick to call out anything on Monroe....i think that resume speaks for itself too.
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btw the part about derek dailey, i would not say he was the 2nd best player on the team that year. And he never was the 2nd best player on waunakee. But before he got hurt his senior year he was the 2nd best returning player for wuanakee and probably would have ended up being the 2nd best player on the team if he would have never got hurt. But injuries happen and its about how well a team can bounce back from them.
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