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dawgstyle
thecrackerjack wrote:
Gordon
Coleman
Abdullah
Elliott
Cobb
Langford

Who is he better than? Not the top 4.

I would say he is on the same level as Cobb or Langford.


What are you basing this off of? Just the eye test? If so I digress, because no one will ever win.

Stats? Cobb and Abdullah play in the Big Ten West, which is possibly the worst division in college football.

AP had to go up against 8 teams that ranked in the top 30 of the FEI defensive Rankings.
Abdullah 3 in the top 30
Cobb 4 in the top 30
Elliot 4 in the top 30
Langford 3 in the top 30
Coleman 4 in the top 30

I would say when 9 of your 13 games are against top 30 defenses and you still pump out 1600 yards, while guys with half that tough of a schedule are putting up the same numbers, its pretty open for debate on who the best is. Gordon is obviously the best RB of the group, but there is no way you can say without a doubt that the other 5 are better than AP while they continually play against inferior defenses.

Edit: Ok Fixed. Point still stands.
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formerwiacbaseballer
dawgstyle wrote:
thecrackerjack wrote:
Gordon
Coleman
Abdullah
Elliott
Cobb
Langford

Who is he better than? Not the top 4.

I would say he is on the same level as Cobb or Langford.


What are you basing this off of? Just the eye test? If so I digress, because no one will ever win.

Stats? Cobb and Abdullah play in the Big Ten West, which is possibly the worst division in college football.

AP had to go up against 8 teams that ranked in the top 30 of the FEI defensive Rankings.
Abdullah 3 in the top 30
Cobb 4 in the top 30
Elliot 4 in the top 30
Langford 3 in the top 30
Coleman 4 in the top 30

I would say when 9 of your 13 games are against top 30 defenses and you still pump out 1600 yards, while guys with half that tough of a schedule are putting up the same numbers, its pretty open for debate on who the best is. Gordon is obviously the best RB of the group, but there is no way you can say without a doubt that the other 5 are better than AP while they continually play against inferior defenses.

Edit: Ok Fixed. Point still stands.

Just out of curiosity, who are the 9 teams in the Top 30?

Everyone except San Jose State, Louisiana Tech, Samford, and ???

My guess is Alabama, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, LSU and Texas A&M would be in the Top 30. Interesting to see how all five struggled defensively in Bowl Games when they weren't playing against other SEC teams and averaged giving up 40 points per game!!! []

I'm sure Wisconsin is on that same Top 30 list, and I can't sit here and truthfully believe that they were a Top 30 defense. When their regular season schedule didn't see teams like Michigan State and Ohio State on it, allowed them to put up some great numbers. We all saw what happened to that same defense when it finally faced a good offense in Indianapolis.
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thecrackerjack
dawgstyle wrote:
thecrackerjack wrote:
Gordon
Coleman
Abdullah
Elliott
Cobb
Langford

Who is he better than? Not the top 4.

I would say he is on the same level as Cobb or Langford.


What are you basing this off of? Just the eye test? If so I digress, because no one will ever win.

Stats? Cobb and Abdullah play in the Big Ten West, which is possibly the worst division in college football.

AP had to go up against 8 teams that ranked in the top 30 of the FEI defensive Rankings.
Abdullah 3 in the top 30
Cobb 4 in the top 30
Elliot 4 in the top 30
Langford 3 in the top 30
Coleman 4 in the top 30

I would say when 9 of your 13 games are against top 30 defenses and you still pump out 1600 yards, while guys with half that tough of a schedule are putting up the same numbers, its pretty open for debate on who the best is. Gordon is obviously the best RB of the group, but there is no way you can say without a doubt that the other 5 are better than AP while they continually play against inferior defenses.

Edit: Ok Fixed. Point still stands.


Yes, it was pretty much off of the eye test. the B1G had a number of quality running backs this year, and Artis-Payne would fit somewhere in the middle IMO.

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dawgstyle
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
dawgstyle wrote:
thecrackerjack wrote:
Gordon
Coleman
Abdullah
Elliott
Cobb
Langford

Who is he better than? Not the top 4.

I would say he is on the same level as Cobb or Langford.


What are you basing this off of? Just the eye test? If so I digress, because no one will ever win.

Stats? Cobb and Abdullah play in the Big Ten West, which is possibly the worst division in college football.

AP had to go up against 8 teams that ranked in the top 30 of the FEI defensive Rankings.
Abdullah 3 in the top 30
Cobb 4 in the top 30
Elliot 4 in the top 30
Langford 3 in the top 30
Coleman 4 in the top 30

I would say when 9 of your 13 games are against top 30 defenses and you still pump out 1600 yards, while guys with half that tough of a schedule are putting up the same numbers, its pretty open for debate on who the best is. Gordon is obviously the best RB of the group, but there is no way you can say without a doubt that the other 5 are better than AP while they continually play against inferior defenses.

Edit: Ok Fixed. Point still stands.

Just out of curiosity, who are the 9 teams in the Top 30?

Everyone except San Jose State, Louisiana Tech, Samford, and ???

My guess is Alabama, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, LSU and Texas A&M would be in the Top 30. Interesting to see how all five struggled defensively in Bowl Games when they weren't playing against other SEC teams and averaged giving up 40 points per game!!! []

I'm sure Wisconsin is on that same Top 30 list, and I can't sit here and truthfully believe that they were a Top 30 defense. When their regular season schedule didn't see teams like Michigan State and Ohio State on it, allowed them to put up some great numbers. We all saw what happened to that same defense when it finally faced a good offense in Indianapolis.

The 8 top 30 were LSU WI BAMA OLE MISS LTECH GEORGIA ARKANSAS MISS ST im pretty sure. Dont have the list in front of me.

FEI and S&P stats are as legit as they come.
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formerwiacbaseballer
dawgstyle wrote:

The 8 top 30 were LSU WI BAMA OLE MISS LTECH GEORGIA ARKANSAS MISS ST im pretty sure. Dont have the list in front of me.

FEI and S&P stats are as legit as they come.

Thanks....

They may be legit, but that doesn't change the fact that those teams still allowed 40 points per game in the Bowl season against non-SEC teams.
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dawgstyle
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
dawgstyle wrote:

The 8 top 30 were LSU WI BAMA OLE MISS LTECH GEORGIA ARKANSAS MISS ST im pretty sure. Dont have the list in front of me.

FEI and S&P stats are as legit as they come.

Thanks....

They may be legit, but that doesn't change the fact that those teams still allowed 40 points per game in the Bowl season against non-SEC teams.


And OSU lost to VT. 1 game doesn't make a season.

Those teams also beat plenty of non conference teams in the regular season, but hey if you want to try and put the Big 10 above the SEC based on a handful of games, of which only 1 had ANY meaning, you go right ahead.

By the way, the big ten gave up an average of 36 points in their bowl games. The only team not to give up 30 or more? Rutgers. Clearly it's the RBs and not the lack of defense.

Just to make sure all the stats are provided, the SEC gave up 28.5 per bowl game.
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dawgstyle
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
dawgstyle wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
dawgstyle wrote:

The 8 top 30 were LSU WI BAMA OLE MISS LTECH GEORGIA ARKANSAS MISS ST im pretty sure. Dont have the list in front of me.

FEI and S&P stats are as legit as they come.

Thanks....

They may be legit, but that doesn't change the fact that those teams still allowed 40 points per game in the Bowl season against non-SEC teams.


And OSU lost to VT. 1 game doesn't make a season.

Those teams also beat plenty of non conference teams in the regular season, but hey if you want to try and put the Big 10 above the SEC based on a handful of games, of which only 1 had ANY meaning, you go right ahead.

By the way, the big ten gave up an average of 36 points in their bowl games. The only team not to give up 30 or more? Rutgers. Clearly it's the RBs and not the lack of defense.

Just to make sure all the stats are provided, the SEC gave up 28.5 per bowl game.

No need to try and put words in my mouth.... Never said "Big Ten above SEC...." But if you think that is my angle, keep thinking that.

Just think the "depth" of the SEC was blown out of proportion this year when they started with three teams in the initial Final Four. Watching some of those very same teams get lit up all over the field by TCU, Georgia Tech, and Ohio State was quite amusing. (For that matter you could add a one dimensional Wisconsin team in there as well.) Those defenses looked as intimidating as the current "blackshirt" defense of Nebraska. Maybe the SEC offense's just weren't that great this year? (I didn't watch enough to know where they would be in the comparative offensive rankings you posted.)

So were there any good defenses this year?
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formerwiacbaseballer
dawgstyle wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
dawgstyle wrote:

The 8 top 30 were LSU WI BAMA OLE MISS LTECH GEORGIA ARKANSAS MISS ST im pretty sure. Dont have the list in front of me.

FEI and S&P stats are as legit as they come.

Thanks....

They may be legit, but that doesn't change the fact that those teams still allowed 40 points per game in the Bowl season against non-SEC teams.


And OSU lost to VT. 1 game doesn't make a season.

Those teams also beat plenty of non conference teams in the regular season, but hey if you want to try and put the Big 10 above the SEC based on a handful of games, of which only 1 had ANY meaning, you go right ahead.

By the way, the big ten gave up an average of 36 points in their bowl games. The only team not to give up 30 or more? Rutgers. Clearly it's the RBs and not the lack of defense.

Just to make sure all the stats are provided, the SEC gave up 28.5 per bowl game.

No need to try and put words in my mouth.... Never said "Big Ten above SEC...." But if you think that is my angle, keep thinking that.

Just think the "depth" of the SEC was blown out of proportion this year when they started with three teams in the initial Final Four. Watching some of those very same teams get lit up all over the field by TCU, Georgia Tech, and Ohio State was quite amusing. (For that matter you could add a one dimensional Wisconsin team in there as well.) Those defenses looked as intimidating as the current "blackshirt" defense of Nebraska. Maybe the SEC offense's just weren't that great this year? (I didn't watch enough to know where they would be in the comparative offensive rankings you posted.)
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