dietcoke1
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fubarbucky_old
I thought the article had a whiney tone to it. Kids and parents need to realize how good of athletes scholarship winners are. You must have the metrics (size, speed and quickness). You must be able to handle the academics. You must demonstrate the willingness and desire to become a scholarship athlete. Finally you must be able to play.
How are you going to differentitate yourself from everyone else. Everbody is a hero in their own little fishbowl but once you get away from your high school it's a big world out there and it's amazing how many outstanding athletes there are out there.
This posting is not meant to discourage anyone, on the contrary I hope someone reads this and says "I'll show em".
We haven't even talked about marketing yourself. It can't be smoke and mirrors but you can help the process along. Being honest with yourself is very important and probably key to the process.
If you really want to play in college go talk to your coach and ask him for a honest evaluation. Good luck.
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hoopdreamswi
I stopped reading after this: ?Division three is a very similar setting to high school.?

Moron.
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fubarbucky_old
Diet I concur completely. With it being a rather broad statement I also feel that the overall quality of high school football in the state of Wisconsin is rather average or maybe below average. There are good programs and good coaches in the state but not enough. I also feel that good fundamentals are not being emphasied enough. As a result recruiters are left with metrics.
My son has been out of high school for a couple of years. There overall record for the last five years is somewhere around 42 - 12. Not too bad. I have yet to see them block anyone at the line of scrimmage. They use a lot of smoke and mirrors and to their credit they have had some success. However some of the basics are not there.
The last point is that the kids need to get after it. I can remember the Flanigan brothers when they came out of Southern Door a number of years ago. They graduated high school as men not boys. For every young man that graduates from high school in Wisconsin and is ready to play collage football like the Flanigan brothers were there is two to three dozen that come out of Ohio. Lot of reasons for this but the players have to take owenership.
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realitycheck
fubarbucky, Perfectly stated! [8D]
Make sure you flush twice for insurance!
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jimmyq1
Some people seem to think scholarships are a right, and they most surely aren't.

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dietcoke1
I have seen some very productive players in the Milwaukee area that are just an inch or two too short or maybe a step slow. I think that recruiter's obsession with metrics has become more pronounced over time.

I also think that there has to be a reason why statistically this state just seems to be spinning its wheels and recruit production has plateaued over the past 20 years. Maybe its not just the players metrics - there are some very good specimens without scholies - it may be the quality of the football itself. Maybe Wisconsin prep football has a bit of a perception problem but there are definitely quite a few states with spring football practices and have a different labor market in terms of the coaching staffs. I think that for players that are on the borderline for a scholarship - meaning where they are situated on college recruiting boards at their respective position - factors that make them appear to be slightly more prepared can push them upwards and make them more likely to get the last scholie.
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jimmyq1
Heart? You can want it as much as you want, it doesn't mean you are good enough.

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oldshep
I took the D3 comment to mean the atmosphere not the quality of play. A D3 college might have a small close knit feel to it. Hence the choice of word setting.

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hoopdreamswi
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ORIGINAL: howdtheydothat

I know this has been discussed several times already, but I was just wondering if anyone could help me locate information on rules for scholarships. Like how much schools at each level can give etc?

Thanks


Use this link: [link=http://www.campuschamps.com/rulebook/ncaa_scholarship_limits.shtml]http://www.campuschamps.com/rulebook/ncaa_scholarship_limits.shtml[/link]

Remember that not every school actually gives out their full alottment.
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dietcoke1
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there are definitely quite a few states with spring football practices and have a different labor market in terms of the coaching staffs.


I am quoting myself here - but I just bumped into something that clearly illustrated what I am talking about.

[link=http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/local/16202591.htm]http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/local/16202591.htm[/link]

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Football coach's salary
$81,883
$90,510


Now the article itself is not that germane to the discussion. The article deals with two Texas cities that feature the teams (Southlake Carroll, Colleyville Heritage) that will play in the regional final today. Look at the salaries for the head coaches!! Do you think they are including their teaching salaries??? That would almost be a given in Wisconsin but not in Texas. If this is compensation based solely on functioning as the head football coach - that is a major difference from the market in Wisconsin. Joe Koch said on WSSP that he earned only $3,600 working as a football coach last year. That is a salary differential of close to $87,000 for Koch vs the Southlake Carroll coach. It must be a lot more competitive market for coaches down there and I would assume there must be high expectations for the coaches to perform (ie WIN). I know they are putting in more hours with less contact restrictions but that is a huge discrepancy for coaches even if they are proven performers.
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easy30
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ORIGINAL: Diet Coke

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there are definitely quite a few states with spring football practices and have a different labor market in terms of the coaching staffs.


I am quoting myself here - but I just bumped into something that clearly illustrated what I am talking about.

[link=http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/local/16202591.htm]http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/local/16202591.htm[/link]

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Football coach's salary
$81,883
$90,510


Now the article itself is not that germane to the discussion. The article deals with two Texas cities that feature the teams (Southlake Carroll, Colleyville Heritage) that will play in the regional final today. Look at the salaries for the head coaches!! Do you think they are including their teaching salaries??? That would almost be a given in Wisconsin but not in Texas. If this is compensation based solely on functioning as the head football coach - that is a major difference from the market in Wisconsin. Joe Koch said on WSSP that he earned only $3,600 working as a football coach last year. That is a salary differential of close to $87,000 for Koch vs the Southlake Carroll coach. It must be a lot more competitive market for coaches down there and I would assume there must be high expectations for the coaches to perform (ie WIN). I know they are putting in more hours with less contact restrictions but that is a huge discrepancy for coaches even if they are proven performers.


So....I am guessing the sponsers help pick up the tab because that would be a lot for a high school to fork over. I find it weird that big name HS programs have sponsers. I noticed this watching "Two A-Days" and how the team has sponsers like Pepsi.
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dietcoke1
Texas[] I would imagine the teams look like NASCAR drivers with advertisements for sponsors covering every inch of their uniforms.[]
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