roarcatz
Anybody heard anything or seen the selections?
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Decleater_old
OK, this is what I know. I hope it is correct. I apologize in advance if any of this is wrong.

MCC North
Offense First Team
QB Daniel Ricci Jr. BA
RB Aaron Wegner Jr. LCL
RB Sam Verhulst Jr. HC
WR Zac Ezzell Sr BA
WR Mark Babel Sr LCL
TE Zach Philippi Sr HC
C Dan Gaenslen Jr BA
G Brandon Bhatia So BA
G Wil Goodman Jr LCL
T Hunter Mason Sr LCL
T Dylan lange Jr HC
K Andy Pole Jr SJN

Offense Second Team

QB Marshall Herget Sr LWL
RB Peter Steigerwald Sr BA
RB Nick Rich Sr LWL
WR Fred Gladney Jr WFBD
WR Kevin Mays So SJN
TE Andrew Bolwerk So LWL
C Tom Salemi Jr LCL
G Kai Tikkanen Sr BA
G John Anderson Sr HC
T Steve Heberer Sr LWL
T Phillipe Machare Sr WFBD
K Mark Babel Sr LCL

H. M
QB Alex Hahn Jr SJN
QB Teddy Popalisky Jr WFBD
RB Orlando Hall Jr THS
RB Zach Philippi JR HC
WR Sam Verhulst Jr HC
WR Nick Rich Sr LWL
WR Cam Herdt Jr LCL
C Michael Smaniotto Sr SJN
G Cole Fraser Jr HC
T Alex Behnke Sr LCL

OFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Daniel Ricci Jr. BA

North Defense First Team

T John Anderson Sr HC
T Wil Goosman Jr LCL
E Hunter Mason Sr LCL
E Jonathan Bradley Sr SJN
LB Sam Verhulst Jr HC
LB Mark Gregory Jr SJN
LB Nick Rich Sr LWL
LB Tom Murel Sr LCL
DB Marshall Herget Sr LWL
DB Andy Gibson Sr BA
DB Mitch Carlson Jr LCL
P Marshall Herget Sr LWL

North Defense Second Team

T Mykaell Bratchett So THS
T Brandon Bhatia So BA
E Tommy Popalisky Jr WFBD
E Austin Davis Sr THS
LB Marvin Trotter Sr BA
LB Dan Gaenslen Jr BA
LB Mark Pace Sr WFBD
LB Kyle Spieker Sr LCL
DB Isaac Farias Jr SJN
DB Daniel Ricci Jr BA
DB Jarrett Triplett Sr THS
P Andy Pole Jr SJN

H. M
T Zac Bickett Sr SJN
T Antoine Ray Sr WFBD
E Tom Krall Sr LWL
LB Dean Quoss Sr SJN
LB Zach Philippi Sr HC
LB Bruce Christopher So THS
DB Dan Mamerow Sr HC

Defensive Player of the year
Tom Murel Sr LCL

Head Coach of the Year Dan Lutz BA
Asst. Coach of the Year Erik Malm LCL



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Decleater_old
Here is the South, again I apologize if any of this is not correct.

MCC South 2008 ALL-Conference

Offense First Team

QB Reese Hartlahe Sr BCC
RB Eric Ortel Jr RL
RB Max Voss Sr BCC
WR B. J. Ritzman Sr BCC
WR Stuart Brown Sr RL
TE Baeu Palin Sr USM
C Jeff Tennyck Sr SSL
G Patrick Kelly Sr BCC
G Caleb Gwin Sr RL
T Spenser Williamson Sr BCC
T Ryan Gails Sr RL
K Marcus Solofra Sr SSL

Offense Second Team

QB Dylan Graf So RL
RB Kerry Robinson Sr SSL
RB Sam Wagner Jr BCC
WR Chris Trotter Sr KSJ
WR Mitch Jaeger Jr RSC
TE Jesse natschke Sr GML
C Alex Duran Sr SSL
G Billy Ostermeyer So USM
G Sidney Young Jr
T Andy Read Sr USM
T Kyle Obarski Sr GML
K Scott Walker Sr USM

H. M Offense

QB Cary Thomas Fresh RSC
QB Nathan Wingfield Jr GML
QB Ricky Brereton Soph SSL
RB Tom Scahewald Jr USM
RB Tyler Dorn Sr SSL
G Corey Hylyon So KSJ
T Justin Harrison Sr SSL
T Chris Bruno Sr KSJ

Offensive Playet of the Year
Reese Hartlage BCC

MCC South Defense First Team

T Jacob Sertuche Sr RSC
T Spenser Williamson Sr BCC
E Joe Spiegelhoff Sr BCC
E Joe Hamilton Sr RSC
LB Beau Palin Sr USM
LB Eric Ortel Jr RL
LB Elijua Smith Jr RSC
LB Max Vos Sr BCC
DB Ryan Ganther Jr RL
DB Ben Wilde Sr BCC
DB Andy Ausloos Sr SSL
P Ben Wilde Sr BCC

Defense Second Team

T Caleb Gwin Sr RL
T Billy Zarek Sr BCC
E Jonathan Poppe Sr RL
E Alex Blundon Jr GML
LB Gino Venturini So RSC
LB Jeremy Delabio Jr KSJ
LB Joe Pignotti Sr KSJ
LB Anders Lillquist So GML
DB Dylan Fout Jr KSJ
DB Justin Erickson Fresh RSC
DB Ben Schreib So GML
P Joe Pignotti Sr KSJ

H. M Defense

E Charlie Pechous So KSL
E Tyler Link Sr SSL
LB Joel Hollow So RSC
DB Justin Dillow Jr SSL
P Tyler Dorn Sr SSL

Defensive Player of the Year
Max Vos BCC

Head Coach Of the Year Tom Aldrich BCC
Asst. Coach of the Year Tim Treder SSL



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Decleater_old
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(Speaking of jokes, how can USM have as many 1st teamers as RaLu? Regardless if anybody thought they were the better team than SL, RL, RSC and HC they still lost those games on the field. They must be the greatest 2-7 team of ALL-TIME!!


Let me correct myself....USM has a ton of 1st and 2nd Teamers...As many as RaLu. If those selections are accurate, that's what the coaches should be ashamed of.



First off, I never suggested that Beau Palin be POY on defense, It could be any of those I listed. What I am saying is that stats have to be part of the equation. And Vos's stats were not even in the top 29 players. Your argument that he elevated the play of the whole defense is something that cannot be measured. Its like measuring someones heart. Whos not to say that they elevated him. This is why we keep stats, now does stats tell the whole story, sometimes not. I don't want this to look like a bash on Vos because he is a special player and BCC is a very good team and well coached. But every team has a player that they rallied around. I know that RaLu had two outstanding defenders with Eric Ortel being their leader. You can make the same case that Eric should be DPOY.

As for Shadewald, he played the last 4 games with a very bad shoulder injury. Only played two plays against Martin Luther. USM didn't have all the weapons that BBC had so defenses only needed to stop Shadewald unlike BCC that has Reese, Ritzman, Vos, Wagner and more. Its no secret that USM had no passing game and with Krieg out, defenses only needed to key on Tommy Considering that and the fact that he had to play behind second string lineman most of the year, I would say he was worthy.

BTW, BCC 10 1st teams selections
RA 9 1st teamers
USM 2 1st teamers so i don't know where you came up with your numbers.
also, BBC earned 11 nominations, RaLu had 9
USM had 5
Again, I am not that stupid, Max Vos is a very good player, BCC has a great team, but that doesnt mean that all the best players in the South are on two teams as the voting indicates. 19 first team players came from two teams. Thats 19 out of I think 24 positions.
Look at all the other conferenses and you wont see such a slant to the top two teams, Actually SSL and St. catz have a reason to complain, they had as many nominations at RaLu and the same record. No, I still believe that the old coaches in the south were selfish and denied good players their day. To me that will always be a shame. Its suppossd to be about the kids and their achievements. Sometimes, studs are on teams that arent that good.
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shaggydoug17_old
MR_SIU_20 wrote:

MR_SIU_20 wrote:


Speaking of jokes, how can USM have as many 1st teamers as RaLu?? Regardless?if?anybody thought they were the better team than SL, RL,?RSC and HC they still lost those games on the field.? They must be the greatest 2-7 team of ALL-TIME!!


Let me correct myself....USM has a ton of 1st and 2nd Teamers...As many as RaLu.? If those selections are accurate, that's what the coaches should be ashamed of.


Speaking of jokes, are you literate? (ok that wasn't actually a joke that was a serious question) ?USM only has TWO 1st teamers. ?RaLu has many more than two (I can't do the arithmetic either. ?Maybe if we work together we can figure it out). ??

Also, I do think the fact that almost all the 1st teamers were from RL and BCC is very unfair. ?BCC deserves many 1st teamers. ?They were far and away the best team. ?RL was equivalent to SL and they only beat USM by less than a TD when USM was missing many key players (krieg, greaves). ? I honestly cant believe you are complaining about RL's all conference showing.?

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Decleater_old
I know that people always wonder how selections are made. This is how I understand the MCC does it. Correct me if I am wrong.

Each team received a certain amount of nominations based on thier conference record. So in the South, BCC having the best conference record received the most nominations (11) and USM being last received the least (5). In the North it was BA with most nominations (11) and THC with least (5). Kickers and Punters and POY's don't count against your nomination number.

Individual statistics are also based on conference play, not non-conference play. There are 56 total nominations, only 1st and 2nd teams are voted for. Those that do not get voted to either 1st or 2nd team are placed in H.M.

So based on that a few suprises, well at least to me, the absence of the #2 rusher, Tommy Shadewald from either team, and Max Vos getting Defensive Player of the Year. Now this is not a bash on Max Vos, I think he is a tremendous player and definately one of the leaders at BCC and in the South. So I don't have any problem with him getting 1st team offense, But for him to be selected on first team defense and Defensive Player of the Year when there were 29 players with more defensive points than he had makes me wonder about the coaches that sellected him. He had 48 points on defense, 18 solo tackles, 12 assisted and 1 tackle for a loss. Not even an interception. He was even lower when you look at just solo tackles where he was ranked 31st and 28th in solo tackle. This just doesnt make sense.

Lets look at the leaders on defense

Overall point leaders

Beau Palin USM 167 pts 68U.T 31 A.T 2 for loss 2 blocked kicks
Dylan Graf RL 156 pts 71U.T 71 A. T 3 for loss 1 fumble recovery
Joe Pignotti KSJ 125 pts 53 U. T. 19 U.T. 3 for loss 4 fumble recoveries 2ints
Anders Lillquist GML 91pts 31 U.T. 29 A.T. 4 for loss 1 fumble
Eric Ortel RL 90pts 38U.T. 14 A.T 3 for loss

In my opinion any one of these players were better selections than Vos, again no knock on Vos, He is a very good player and one that every team would love to have on their roster, but he didn't even lead his own team in tackles. That went to Billy Zarek, who pound for pound is one of the best defenders on that team!!! He had 19 solo 10 asst 6 tackle for loss and 2 fumbles.

Again, what were the coaches in the south thinking? They should be ashamed.


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Decleater_old
I want to make this point very clear, I am not advocating that USM get more first team players on All-Conference, they only won 1 game in conference and were clearly beaten up by BCC. Reese clearly deserved offensive player of the year, I am just not sold that Vos did. Thats my opinion.
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roarcatz
The parceling out of nominations according to record seems to me to be rough justice, but it's complete nonsense to say that the conference champ should automatically have the POY and the Coach of the Year. Those awards should go to the best coach and the most dominant players on each side of the ball. There's absolutely no need to make those awards the door prizes for being conference champ.

As for OPOY, I'd have voted for Hartlage. That's a pretty easy pick, in my view. Next year will be interesting. No telling what records will be, but both Oertel and Schadewald are special players, and you have to think that Sam Wagner will be in the mix. (Aside: If we took this year's stats and dumped them into the 2009 season, though, with teams finishing in the same order, should it be that Wagner gets OPOY just because his team wins the South? Surely not. I think that puts the lie to the notion that POY should run with the conference title.)

As for COY, I think it's a bit of a surprise that Scott Smith didn't get it. This is a program that cancelled its JV season, for Pete's sake, that lost Dameon McGee, and that people were gleefully whispering about when the season started. They got nicked and chipped away all season long, and ultimately beat Pec/Argyle with 19 or 20 kids in uniform. (I don't know the circumstances, but you've also got to admire a guy who's playing so short-handed and yet has the stones to suspend players in a playoff week.) You absolutely cannot argue with what Aldrich did, which is testament to the strength of a solid system, committed athletes, and strong and consistent coaching. Smith did his act on a highwire, though, and without a net.

As for DPOY: Vos is certainly a standout player, but Palin, Oertel, and Graf all outplayed him in terms of impact on the field. Having said that, I personally think the standout defensive player in the conference was Jacob Sertuche of RSC. Not a big guy, but strong and unbelievably fast. He played against 3 of the 4 top centers in the conference (he didn't play against Gaenslen of BA), in 3 consecutive weeks, and outright clobbered 2 of them. In my view, he did more to disrupt game plans than any other single defensive player in the South, and really was POY by a comfortable margin. Again, it's garbage to say that a guy like that shouldn't be DPOY just because his team finishes in the middle of the pack, or even worse.

Good to have a lively discussion going here. We haven't had a little donnybrook like this since the LCL boys (Killemall, etc.) stopped posting.
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roarcatz
More fodder: Just looking at the North Shore Conference awards. OPOY there was Jimmy Sherburne of Whitefish Bay. Homestead ran away with the conference, as usual, and Port was very strong (both teams still in the playoffs), but a standout player on a 6-4 team was OPOY. And deserved it.
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MCCFan_old
RoarCatz wrote:


The parceling out of nominations according to record seems to me to be rough justice, but it's complete nonsense to say that the conference champ should automatically have the POY and the Coach of the Year. Those awards should go to the best coach and the most dominant players on each side of the ball. There's absolutely no need to make those awards the door prizes for being conference champ.

As for OPOY, I'd have voted for Hartlage. That's a pretty easy pick, in my view. Next year will be interesting. No telling what records will be, but both Oertel and Schadewald are special players, and you have to think that Sam Wagner will be in the mix. (Aside: If we took this year's stats and dumped them into the 2009 season, though, with teams finishing in the same order, should it be that Wagner gets OPOY just because his team wins the South? Surely not. I think that puts the lie to the notion that POY should run with the conference title.)

As for COY, I think it's a bit of a surprise that Scott Smith didn't get it. This is a program that cancelled its JV season, for Pete's sake, that lost Dameon McGee, and that people were gleefully whispering about when the season started. They got nicked and chipped away all season long, and ultimately beat Pec/Argyle with 19 or 20 kids in uniform. (I don't know the circumstances, but you've also got to admire a guy who's playing so short-handed and yet has the stones to suspend players in a playoff week.) You absolutely cannot argue with what Aldrich did, which is testament to the strength of a solid system, committed athletes, and strong and consistent coaching. Smith did his act on a highwire, though, and without a net.

As for DPOY: Vos is certainly a standout player, but Palin, Oertel, and Graf all outplayed him in terms of impact on the field. Having said that, I personally think the standout defensive player in the conference was Jacob Sertuche of RSC. Not a big guy, but strong and unbelievably fast. He played against 3 of the 4 top centers in the conference (he didn't play against Gaenslen of BA), in 3 consecutive weeks, and outright clobbered 2 of them. In my view, he did more to disrupt game plans than any other single defensive player in the South, and really was POY by a comfortable margin. Again, it's garbage to say that a guy like that shouldn't be DPOY just because his team finishes in the middle of the pack, or even worse.

Good to have a lively discussion going here. We haven't had a little donnybrook like this since the LCL boys (Killemall, etc.) stopped posting.


Funny thing I (old Killemall) never stopped posting on here. i just didnt want to talk up our team like i did when i was a dumb frosh. i would rather hear about things happening in our conference than try and make ppl think we were good.
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shaggydoug17_old
to be honest with you i think usm had enough first teamers with 2. ?i was more supporting SL (and less so RSC). ?They were a team equal to RL. ?Both had the same conference records. ?So why such a discrepancy there. ?Also, having the best record doesn't mean you deserve the POY on both sides of the ball my friend. ?And ya i rep usm and always will. ?and who are you, mystery man who has called me out?? ?Also, i am impressed you have followed my history of posting so intently. ?Its getting late here out on the east coast, im out.
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Decleater_old
LCL5244 wrote:


For the North 2nd team WR it should be
WR Cam Herdt Jr LCL
not
WR Aaron Wegner Jr LCL
Wegner was the 1st team RB


and for that post about not having a livly discusion since the "LCL boys posting"
I don't know if that should be took good or bad.. but I'm taking it bad because of how highly we talked about ourselves
haha

Congrats to everyone who recieved All-Confrence honors


Thanks for the heads up, This list came from Jay, I am asking if there is another one. BTW if it is Cam Herdt, are you sure its not for H.M? Sorry and thanks.
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bennyboy0789_old
me being a graduate from RSC and a fan am not disappointed that RSC didn't get alot of mentioning. this is so because of the way the offense and defense is set up. It is such a spread the ball to everyone type of offense. and a very firm defense that spread the tackles around.

Also i see how you could nominate Scott Smith as COY. but frankly some of the games i went to (most notably the RL vs. SL game) i didn't see the great coaching always come out on the field. in the RL vs. SL game I don't think I have ever seen that many yards on FB dives and ran FB dives that many times without being stopped ever! props to the interior SL line. too bad they stopped running that play even though it was still working lol. But a great coach would have seen this right off the bat and would've found a way to stop it.

But i believe it was a great year for the MCC conference with a bunch of excellent young talent I believe we might see a state title in the near future. (or so i hope!!!)
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bennyboy0789_old
bennyboy0789 wrote:


me being a graduate from RSC and a fan am not disappointed that RSC didn't get alot of mentioning. this is so because of the way the offense and defense is set up. It is such a spread the ball to everyone type of offense. and a very firm defense that spread the tackles around.

Also i see how you could nominate Scott Smith as COY. but frankly some of the games i went to (most notably the RL vs. SL game) i didn't see the great coaching always come out on the field. in the RL vs. SL game I don't think I have ever seen that many yards on FB dives and ran FB dives that many times without being stopped ever! props to the interior SL line. too bad they stopped running that play even though it was still working lol. But a great coach would have seen this right off the bat and would've found a way to stop it.

But i believe it was a great year for the MCC conference with a bunch of excellent young talent I believe we might see a state title in the near future. (or so i hope!!!)




i forgot to add and good luck to BCC these next couple weeks!!!
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