johnwall1
Some outstanding performances, some expected, some surprises. I'm not sure exactly how the all-conf voting occurs, but would like to hear if any of you know, and also your opinion on who deserves these spots at the mid-point of the MVC season. I looked at stats, only focused on what kids do in Conf games, as I would imagine would be the criteria. Clearly wins/losses at end of season a major factor in how this plays out as well.

My initial thoughts:

First Team:
Kobe King (POY), Bailey Kale, Chase Johnson, Jalen Zubich, Chris Ancius

Second Team:
Austin Braund, CJ Siegel, Noah Fredrickson, Trey Davis, Blake Larson

Honorable Mention:
Seth Wilson, Jordan Schuster, Matthew Pauley, Joe Georgeson, Jalen Sample, Tyler Turiff, Conley Malone, Eddie Harwick, Noah Parcher
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oldballcoach1
It is a fairly simple process. The coaches will meet and the meeting is overseen by an AD from one of the conference schools. Starting with 1st team all conference - each coach has the chance to nominate their players and then highlight the players stats and anything they want to about their players. After all comments have been made - the coaches will then vote. Usually the top 5 vote getters make the team. On some occasions, a tie will occur and the coaches can either choose to have 6 players on the team - or have a vote between the 2 players tied. Then, you move onto the 2nd team and do that same process.

As far as honorable mention goes - most conferences usually just allow the coaches to name 2 of their players to the team - no vote is taken. Sometimes, coaches may only take 1 spot and give up their other spot to another coach.

I would agree with 4 of the 5 picks for the MVC team. I would swap Siegel and Ancius right now. Especially if Logan would win the conference. Most times, conference champs will get 2 players on 1st team.
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johnwall1
oldballcoach1 wrote:
It is a fairly simple process. The coaches will meet and the meeting is overseen by an AD from one of the conference schools. Starting with 1st team all conference - each coach has the chance to nominate their players and then highlight the players stats and anything they want to about their players. After all comments have been made - the coaches will then vote. Usually the top 5 vote getters make the team. On some occasions, a tie will occur and the coaches can either choose to have 6 players on the team - or have a vote between the 2 players tied. Then, you move onto the 2nd team and do that same process.

As far as honorable mention goes - most conferences usually just allow the coaches to name 2 of their players to the team - no vote is taken. Sometimes, coaches may only take 1 spot and give up their other spot to another coach.

I would agree with 4 of the 5 picks for the MVC team. I would swap Siegel and Ancius right now. Especially if Logan would win the conference. Most times, conference champs will get 2 players on 1st team.


Thanks, very helpful! I fully expect Central to win the conf thus get 2 players on top team. Don't disagree with you on Siegel for Ancius if Logan ends up winning it. Just wondering how much political correctness there is in the process? Said another way, is there an attempt to have all teams represented, i.e. a kid from Tomah or Sparta making one of the top 2 teams? I put a Tomah kid in there only b/c they have 3 wins and he's their best player. That said, he's certainly not as good as some of the kids from the top teams that will already have a couple of their guys make it.
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oldballcoach1
I don't think the coaches feel they have to choose a player from all teams. I think they attempt to choose the top 5 and then the next 5 to form the teams. If a player from a 1 or 2 win team is in the top 10 - the coaches usually reward that. Plus, I think the idea that every team gets 2 honorable mention spots takes a little pressure off making sure all teams get some sort of representation.

I have witnessed some pretty heated meetings also. Coaches will fight for their players and will voice their displeasure with the vote from time to time. Every year, a coach leaves feeling they got shorted.
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johnwall1
Big one tonight at Central....I expect Central to win this one, but not easily. Central coming off a blowout loss at SPASH, but I don't see that affecting them in a negative way. Logan is better rested having not played for a while.

Final Central 72 Logan 63

In other action I see Aquinas taking care of Tomah.
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redraidernation
I agree that Central wins tonight. Tuesday's loss to SPASH won't affect them one bit. By most accounts Central played pretty well and had they not missed 5-6 layups/short shots are within a few points or ahead at halftime. Coach Fergot will have them amped up for the game tonight.
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johnwall1
johnwall1 wrote:
Big one tonight at Central....I expect Central to win this one, but not easily. Central coming off a blowout loss at SPASH, but I don't see that affecting them in a negative way. Logan is better rested having not played for a while.

Final Central 72 Logan 63 [h][/h][h]Central 83-76
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In other action I see Aquinas taking care of Tomah [h][/h[h]AQU 59-41[/h].


Well, I was very close.

Tonight's quick turnaround games:

Central will blow out Sparta with starters playing about 1/2 of the game

Logan and Holmen will be interesting. I fear a big Logan letdown. Logan of the past few years would lose this game. Part of me thinks this truly is a different Logan team....but part of me worries it's not.

In an upset, Holmen 60 Logan 55
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johnwall1
johnwall1 wrote:
johnwall1 wrote:
Big one tonight at Central....I expect Central to win this one, but not easily. Central coming off a blowout loss at SPASH, but I don't see that affecting them in a negative way. Logan is better rested having not played for a while.

Final Central 72 Logan 63 [h][/h][h]Central 83-76
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In other action I see Aquinas taking care of Tomah [h][/h[h]AQU 59-41[/h].


Well, I was very close.

Tonight's quick turnaround games:

Central will blow out Sparta with starters playing about 1/2 of the game

Logan and Holmen will be interesting. I fear a big Logan letdown. Logan of the past few years would lose this game. Part of me thinks this truly is a different Logan team....but part of me worries it's not.

In an upset, [h]Holmen 60 Logan 55[/h][/h]


I guess I should take my new crystal ball to Vegas and get paid using it [headbang]
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oldballcoach1
Good call on that one John. Logan again appears to lack the leadership from its upperclassmen to keep the focus of the others. That is a game that they must win and have to find a way coming off of emotional game the night before. They had a week off going into the Central game - so fatigue isn't an excuse. Central was in SPASH on Tuesday and you never would have known it Thursday.

Now it comes down to Thursday's Central - Ona game. Central should roll on Tuesday against Aquinas - so that will set the stage. I think Central will win a close game. I would say though, even if Ona were to win - Central will be the #1 seed over Ona for the playoffs. Compare the schedules - games vs. PDC, GET, Luther and BRF do Ona no good - especially when you lose 2 of those 4. Even if they win them all -that is a poor schedule. That probably means a Logan/Ona match-up with the winner going to Central.
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johnwall1
oldballcoach1 wrote:
Good call on that one John. Logan again appears to lack the leadership from its upperclassmen to keep the focus of the others. That is a game that they must win and have to find a way coming off of emotional game the night before. They had a week off going into the Central game - so fatigue isn't an excuse. Central was in SPASH on Tuesday and you never would have known it Thursday.

Now it comes down to Thursday's Central - Ona game. Central should roll on Tuesday against Aquinas - so that will set the stage. I think Central will win a close game. I would say though, even if Ona were to win - Central will be the #1 seed over Ona for the playoffs. Compare the schedules - games vs. PDC, GET, Luther and BRF do Ona no good - especially when you lose 2 of those 4. Even if they win them all -that is a poor schedule. That probably means a Logan/Ona match-up with the winner going to Central.


Ona getting Hughes back has been gigantic for them. It puts the senior back on the bench where he can come in and give them a little size off the bench. That said, agree somewhat on Onalaska schedule....another bad game was West Salem. To their credit, they did play Mpls North and Greendale in non-conf. And PdC is 19-2 and GET is 19-0. Luther should not be on their schedule.

If Ona is able to beat Central on the road, that does force a tie for the MVC title, as both would have lost to each other and to Logan. Logan's losses to Tomah and Holmen doomed them. But, agree, in the case of a tie, Central clearly gets the #1 seed, but Ona would get the 2 and thus by the time they meet again, it would be a neutral site game. Logan looks to be the clear #3, meaning Ona/Logan winner would get Central in the neutral site. Let's be honest, after you get past Kobe and Bailey, Central is not that good. I'd argue their 3rd best player is the freshman, and he's ok. Ona can beat you from 3 or 4 different spots. Kobe/Bailey in a little foul trouble, and Ona can advance. Kobe is the difference.

Agree, Central will take care of Aquinas on Tuesday to set up the Thursday matchup w/Ona. I see Aquinas getting a pretty good seed behind Melrose in that D4 regional, that team could make a bunch of noise in D4 if they focus on the defensive end a little bit. After playing the schedule Aquinas has played, and comparing that to who Melrose plays, you'd have to say that is a toss-up at worst. Aquinas plays Central, Ona, Logan, etc....Melrose plays Alma Center and Whitehall.
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johnwall1
I've seen every MVC team play now and I keep an eye on records, stats, highlights, etc. Here's my All Conference team, 85% of the way through the season:

First Team - King, Kale, Zubich, Seigel, Braund

Second Team - Ancius, Johnson, Fredrickson, Malone, Larson

Honorable Mention - Wilson, Schuster, Pauley, Schauf, Georgeson, Sample, Hughes, Davis, Hoeth, Harwick, Parcher
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redraidernation
johnwall1 wrote:
I've seen every MVC team play now and I keep an eye on records, stats, highlights, etc. Here's my All Conference team, 85% of the way through the season:

First Team - King, Kale, Zubich, Seigel, Braund

Second Team - Ancius, Johnson, Fredrickson, Malone, Larson

Honorable Mention - Wilson, Schuster, Pauley, Schauf, Georgeson, Sample, Hughes, Davis, Hoeth, Harwick, Parcher


100% agree with your placements. I was extremely impressed with Ancius against Central the other night. A bit surprised they didn't get the ball inside to him more. Central struggled to guard his size.

Ona/Central should be a great game tonight. I say Central by 6.
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johnwall1
redraidernation wrote:
johnwall1 wrote:
I've seen every MVC team play now and I keep an eye on records, stats, highlights, etc. Here's my All Conference team, 85% of the way through the season:

First Team - King, Kale, Zubich, Seigel, Braund

Second Team - Ancius, Johnson, Fredrickson, Malone, Larson

Honorable Mention - Wilson, Schuster, Pauley, Schauf, Georgeson, Sample, Hughes, Davis, Hoeth, Harwick, Parcher


100% agree with your placements. I was extremely impressed with Ancius against Central the other night. A bit surprised they didn't get the ball inside to him more. Central struggled to guard his size.

Ona/Central should be a great game tonight. I say Central by 6.


I was at the game as well....Onalaska paid so much attention to Kobe that Bailey had wide open look after wide open look, and knocked a bunch of them down. That didn't surprise me, but what did was how poorly Onalaska played. Wonder how many TO's they had? Must have been mid/high teens. The only kid that impressed me was Fredrickson. I have no idea what Zubich was doing, but last night and a couple of other recent performances has me re-thinking my thoughts on All-Conf. I may consider switching Zubich and Ancius. And Morgan probably deserves some recognition as well. After such an incredible return from injury, Hughes looked a bit slow and unsure last night as well and due to lack of full season, I will take him off my list and award that to Morgan, the MVC champs.

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juice2
Agree with a lot of what you are saying. Believe Johnson from Logan will be 1st team. Has had some big games in conference and hit a game winner vs central while almost posting a triple double. Do believe Ancious is 1st team level player but am really struggling with 2 Aquinas players representing on 1st and 2nd team. Going into tonight's game the only teams they have beat in the MVC is Tomah and Sparta. And have a below 500 record in league and overall.

Central is def cream of the crop.
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johnwall1
juice2 wrote:
Agree with a lot of what you are saying. Believe Johnson from Logan will be 1st team. Has had some big games in conference and hit a game winner vs central while almost posting a triple double. Do believe Ancious is 1st team level player but am really struggling with 2 Aquinas players representing on 1st and 2nd team. Going into tonight's game the only teams they have beat in the MVC is Tomah and Sparta. And have a below 500 record in league and overall.

Central is def cream of the crop.


Johnson has been too inconsistent, only 2nd leading scorer on his team....a couple of monster games, but way too many games where he has disappeared or deferred to the sophomore to score. That said, he deserves 2nd team for sure. Zubich may be playing himself out of 1st team contention since the return of Hughes. Will be interesting to see how the coaches vote. I think Ancius' late season run has likely put him in over Braund or Zubich for 1st team.

Standings
Central 10-1 - Kale(1), King(1), Parcher(HM), Morgan(HM), Austin(HM)
Onalaska 8-3 - Zubich(1), Fredrickson(2), Sample(HM), Turiff(HM)
Logan 7-4 - Seigel(1), Johnson(2), Davis(HM), Hoeth(HM)
Aquinas 5-6 - Ancius(1), Malone(2), Harwick(HM)
Holmen 4-6 - Braund(2), Schuster(HM), Wilson(HM)
Tomah 4-7 - Larson(2), Georgeson(HM)
Sparta 0-11 - Shauf(HM), Pauley(HM)
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