MWarrior2008_old
I listened to Bob and Brian talk sports with their buddy Steve there this morning and I heard Steve say something that I think is deceptively true. The Heisman Trophy is a joke. All it is (in the words of Steve and I kinda agree with him) is the award that goes to the best back in college football. Ever seem to notice that the winner has almost always been either a QB or a RB? So he proposed this (and I like it too): they should have both an offensive Heisman Trophy, and also a Defensive Heisman Trophy. Now I know some would argue about the tradition of the Heisman but let's be honest, the tradition has become bland and boring and how many of these winners actually have great NFL careers? Ty Detmer didn't, Ron Dayne didn't, Troy Smith still has yet to (if he ever will)...see the pattern? So again, I think we need to either make both an offensive Heisman Trophy and a Defensive Heisman, or just scrap the whole thing and stick with the awards we have that are named after great players at that position. What do you think?
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Speaking of Charles Woodson, does anyone remember just how dominant of a college player he was? I mean, I was young as hell. I was in first grade, but my uncle is a huge Michigan fan and has a couple of games he recorded from Woodson's Heisman season. My god, that guy rarely ever gotten thrown towards. Imagine Champ Bailey and it's even more mind-boggling how much teams stayed away from Woodson. It's like, if they did throw his way, it was either a pass break-up or an INT. He was just dominant.
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tweb1216
The Heisman isn't going to change in any way.

And Woodson won it but not just for his defense. He ran back kicks and did line up at receiver occasionally. If he didnt do these things I have a hard time believing he would have won it on his defensive play alone
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Woodson's the only winner who played mostly defense.

The only other non-offensive back winners are:

Desmond Howard (1991), Tim Brown (1987), Leon Hart (1949, he played end on both offense and defense and also punted) and Larry Kelley (1936)...

Here's an article from the original source:

[link=http://czabe.blogspot.com/2009/12/hear-me-out-on-this-one.html]http://czabe.blogspot.c...-me-out-on-this-one.html[/link]
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MWarrior2008 wrote:


Now I know some would argue about the tradition of the Heisman but let's be honest, the tradition has become bland and boring and how many of these winners actually have great NFL careers? Ty Detmer didn't, Ron Dayne didn't, Troy Smith still has yet to (if he ever will)...see the pattern?


Who cares about what their NFL careers turn out to be? The trophy isn't about picking the player that will be best in the NFL. It's about picking the most outstanding college football player.

I agree that defensive players get the shaft, but let's leave the NFL talk out of it.
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MWarrior2008 wrote:


I listened to Bob and Brian talk sports with their buddy Steve there this morning and I heard Steve say something that I think is deceptively true. The Heisman Trophy is a joke. All it is (in the words of Steve and I kinda agree with him) is the award that goes to the best back in college football. Ever seem to notice that the winner has almost always been either a QB or a RB? So he proposed this (and I like it too): they should have both an offensive Heisman Trophy, and also a Defensive Heisman Trophy. Now I know some would argue about the tradition of the Heisman but let's be honest, the tradition has become bland and boring and how many of these winners actually have great NFL careers? Ty Detmer didn't, Ron Dayne didn't, Troy Smith still has yet to (if he ever will)...see the pattern? So again, I think we need to either make both an offensive Heisman Trophy and a Defensive Heisman, or just scrap the whole thing and stick with the awards we have that are named after great players at that position. What do you think?


Careful with your wording. Charles Woodson won it as a Defensive Back.

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mredd22
Woodson did win the Heisman so I'm not sure what your point was with that.

But it has gotten to the point where it's obvious the Heisman does not truly recognize "the most outstanding" player in college football. I doubt anything changes though.

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thefreak
MWarrior2008 wrote:


I'm sure Charles Woodson would have liked this back when he was in college




Woodson won the Heisman.
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Marciniak526_old
This was probably one of the prime years for a defensive player to win it, with no clear frontrunner. Suh did everything he could to put himself in a position to win it, with an outstanding season and most importantly an amazing conference championship game. Even with that freshly in the voter's mind, he finished a distant fourth. Fair? No. But the voters (many of whom are former winners, and backs themselves) just don't value defensive players. It's easy to compare backs, but how do you compare the impact ingram had on alabama to suh at nebraska. It's like apples and oranges, and they always choose apples.
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A nice little tidbit from the [link=http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/091215&sportCat=nfl]Tuesday Morning Quarterback[/link]



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In other sports news, if ever a lineman was going to receive the Heisman Trophy, it was Ndamukong Suh. Since he didn't win, TMQ renews the suggestion I've made before, that the name of the award be changed to the Heisman Trophy for the Running Back or Quarterback Who Receives the Most Publicity. Seventy-five of these trophies have been handed out -- never once to a lineman. We're supposed to believe that every year for 75 years, the best player in college has been a quarterback or running back -- that a lineman has never been the best player? John Heisman himself, who played offensive tackle in college, would not be considered for his own award.
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