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IMO, they have wildly over-complicated this whole thing (and of course in the year where "our guys" are the favorites), but at least they'll have a definitive return on the calendar, unlike every other sports league in this country, minus the NWSL.
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This whole situation has become more clear-
-22 teams will play 8 regular season games
-If a 9th seed is within 4 games of the 8th seed, they'll play a play-in tournament
-To advance to the playoffs, the 9th seed needs to beat the 8th seed twice in a row, if the 8th seed wins once, they're in the playoffs.
-The playoffs will then be slotted 1-8 in each conference, 7 game series as normal

-June 30-all players report for training camp
-July 7-all report to ORL
-July 31-regular season restarts
-August 25-NBA draft lottery
-October 12-game 7 of the Finals (last possible date of play)
-October 15-NBA Draft
-October 18-Free Agency begins
-November 10-training camp begins or 2020-2021 season
-December 1-Opening night

This was a pretty big swerve for the NBA from what was thought to occur.  These dates are all tentative and likely to change.  It was believed December 25 would be opening night, but the proposal pushed it back almost 4 weeks to December 1st.  That's a VERY short turn around for Finals teams, giving them less than 1.5 months from the end of the season to the start of the following season.  They did this likely to space out the games for next season, potentially then resuming a normal, but slightly compressed schedule to get back on track for regular scheduling the following season.  I would've loved to see them move forward with a plan to start regular season on Christmas Day for the future, but that doesn't seem to be what they're working towards.  The draft and free agency also occurring within 1 week of the end of the Finals is going to be jarring.  I suspect this proposal will have its tweaks.
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Where is the NBA at with their attempt to get things started??  It sounded like this was a done deal and now there appears to be a lot of hesitation out there.  Kyrie Irving has made a lot of comments in the past few days and now a lot of the younger up and coming guys are making some noise about accident insurance for them.  Patrick Beverely said yesterday that the league is waiting on LeBron to either say play or not and he has been silent about it.  

The ESPN basketball guys are now saying there is a chance that the season doesn't resume.  They are also saying that if it does, there could be a number of guys that opt to not play.  

Cameron has the inside here, what is going on???
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They're definitely going forward.  There were a few that were hesitant for a number of reasons cited; because of health concerns and because it takes away from the protests and movement.  Kyrie Irving was the most vocal and led the group.  I recall him saying something before all the protests happened about not wanting to participate and the season should be canceled to save the players from health issues, then the protesting started and now he's hanging his hat on that he doesn't want the NBA returning to take away from the movement.  That then spun even further out of control tonight.  According to Shams, there was a Nets player group text and Kyrie mentioned starting their own league or something.  A player leaked that to Shams who reported it, then Kyrie left the group text altogether and that too was leaked to Shams.  It's not a coincidence that Kyrie is constantly an issue with his teammates.  In Cleveland, he reportedly didn't talk to Lebron or his teammates for weeks leading into the playoffs and their Finals run.  Then in Boston, he was a problem from day 1.  He told season ticket holders at a presser he'd re-sign that coming summer, "if you'll have me."  Then about 20 games in, in an interview post-game, he mentioned he was up in the air with his FA status and it went down hill from there.  He constantly alienated his teammates, calling them out in press conferences, calling himself the leader of the team but not knowing how to lead a group of such "young guys," etc.  Just another chapter in Kyrie's melodramatic, overrated career.

As for the return...I think those dates are still the dates that were agreed upon or at least they're trying to target.  Woj and Shams announced tonight the full layout the NBA announced today.  Teams will be staying at 3 different hotels in Orlando, their day to day, hour to hour timelines are scripted out, they have literally everything worked out.  Even down to the NBA having an anonymous tip line in case there were violators of the 110 page health code for the NBA's return.  Some interesting notes:

-If a players tests positive for COVID-19, they'll be quarantined on site at a location set for quarantined players and they'll only be able to return to play after two consecutive negative tests
-The NBA is giving players the option to wear a ring that tracks players health.  It alerts NBA medical staff if a players heart rate, respiration rate, etc gets to a level that meets an, "illness probability," but the ring is optional to wear.
-Teams are going to be allowed to carry 17 players which could include certain FA's that meet parameters or 2-way players.  There will be two benches.  The front bench is major coaching tree and players who are not required to wear masks, the second row consists of less essential coaching staff and players not dressed who will be mandated to wear masks
-Teams are provided player only lounges that consist of TV's, games, barbers, manicurists, 24 hour concierge, ping pong, etc.
-Teams will play 3 scrimmages beginning July 22nd.  Those scrimmages are against teams who they share a hotel with.  The regular season games will begin July 31st.
-Players have the option to opt out of the return, they will only be minimally penalized financially, so they won't receive their full contract but will receive a reduction of 1/92.5 of their salary for each game missed.
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They're definitely going forward.  There were a few that were hesitant for a number of reasons cited; because of health concerns and because it takes away from the protests and movement.  Kyrie Irving was the most vocal and led the group.  I recall him saying something before all the protests happened about not wanting to participate and the season should be canceled to save the players from health issues, then the protesting started and now he's hanging his hat on that he doesn't want the NBA returning to take away from the movement.  That then spun even further out of control tonight.  According to Shams, there was a Nets player group text and Kyrie mentioned starting their own league or something.  A player leaked that to Shams who reported it, then Kyrie left the group text altogether and that too was leaked to Shams.  It's not a coincidence that Kyrie is constantly an issue with his teammates.  In Cleveland, he reportedly didn't talk to Lebron or his teammates for weeks leading into the playoffs and their Finals run.  Then in Boston, he was a problem from day 1.  He told season ticket holders at a presser he'd re-sign that coming summer, "if you'll have me."  Then about 20 games in, in an interview post-game, he mentioned he was up in the air with his FA status and it went down hill from there.  He constantly alienated his teammates, calling them out in press conferences, calling himself the leader of the team but not knowing how to lead a group of such "young guys," etc.  Just another chapter in Kyrie's melodramatic, overrated career.

As for the return...I think those dates are still the dates that were agreed upon or at least they're trying to target.  Woj and Shams announced tonight the full layout the NBA announced today.  Teams will be staying at 3 different hotels in Orlando, their day to day, hour to hour timelines are scripted out, they have literally everything worked out.  Even down to the NBA having an anonymous tip line in case there were violators of the 110 page health code for the NBA's return.  Some interesting notes:

-If a players tests positive for COVID-19, they'll be quarantined on site at a location set for quarantined players and they'll only be able to return to play after two consecutive negative tests
-The NBA is giving players the option to wear a ring that tracks players health.  It alerts NBA medical staff if a players heart rate, respiration rate, etc gets to a level that meets an, "illness probability," but the ring is optional to wear.
-Teams are going to be allowed to carry 17 players which could include certain FA's that meet parameters or 2-way players.  There will be two benches.  The front bench is major coaching tree and players who are not required to wear masks, the second row consists of less essential coaching staff and players not dressed who will be mandated to wear masks
-Teams are provided player only lounges that consist of TV's, games, barbers, manicurists, 24 hour concierge, ping pong, etc.
-Teams will play 3 scrimmages beginning July 22nd.  Those scrimmages are against teams who they share a hotel with.  The regular season games will begin July 31st.
-Players have the option to opt out of the return, they will only be minimally penalized financially, so they won't receive their full contract but will receive a reduction of 1/92.5 of their salary for each game missed.


This did make me chuckle a bit.

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My favorite detail in the 113-page health-and-safety protocol for Orlando shared with teams in past several minutes: No doubles in ping pong. "Until directed otherwise by the NBA, players should play singles only so that they can maintain six feet of distance from each other."
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But they don't have to do that while playing, interestingly...though some may choose to defend that way anyway. Ã°Å¸Ëœâ€š
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But they don't have to do that while playing, interestingly...though some may choose to defend that way anyway. ÃƒÂ°Ã…¸Ëœâ€š


Would this be considered a flagrant 2 now? ðŸ˜‚

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I watched Windhorst this morning on ESPN say that he is worried that with the outbreaks that have been happening at various professional and college locations that the re-start to the NBA season is in jeopardy.  Wednesday is the deadline for players to opt in or out as test results will be available.  He seemed to feel that if 5% would test positive, the NBA would be ecstatic.  They are worried that number is going to be higher.  

Honestly, this doesn't sound good for the resumption of play.  As everyday passes and more and more players from other leagues test positive, it lessens the chances of seeing this season starting back up.  It would seem that early next week, the NBA will announce a delay in its return for a short time to see what happens.  The 113 page document that detailed the smallest items didn't address the players apprehension about coming back.  

Cameron - lets hear your thoughts on this.  
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I watched Windhorst this morning on ESPN say that he is worried that with the outbreaks that have been happening at various professional and college locations that the re-start to the NBA season is in jeopardy.  Wednesday is the deadline for players to opt in or out as test results will be available.  He seemed to feel that if 5% would test positive, the NBA would be ecstatic.  They are worried that number is going to be higher.  

Honestly, this doesn't sound good for the resumption of play.  As everyday passes and more and more players from other leagues test positive, it lessens the chances of seeing this season starting back up.  It would seem that early next week, the NBA will announce a delay in its return for a short time to see what happens.  The 113 page document that detailed the smallest items didn't address the players apprehension about coming back.  

Cameron - lets hear your thoughts on this.  


The NBA and NBPA is going to make this return happen, short of some sort of mass outbreak among players or coaches beforehand.

While I roll my eyes at anything Brian Windhorst says, he's right in the sense that there still has to be widespread testing done and will continue to be done which is a cause for concern.  The other issue that hasn't been discussed that much or was even really addressed in the NBA's 113 page return plan was what if, during play-either during the scrimmages, the 8 game regular season or the playoffs-multiple players from a team test positive.  Or an entire team.  The very general language that was used was a positive test will not stall, delay or end the season resumption.  But it doesn't address when 7 of the 17 players on a team test positive and 5 of the remaining 10 decide they're done and heading home so not to contract it, then do they just forfeit?  What if this happens with multiple teams?  There's certainly a path where this return absolutely crumbles and the season is again suspended, or more likely, canceled altogether.

But at the same time, the NBA was in the best position to be the test subject.  They only have a minimal amount of games to play, then playoffs which gives the MLB and NFL a small sample size of what worked and what didn't work.  They have seemingly thought of everything while also maintaining as much integrity of the game as they possibly could.  
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-Davis Bertans, PF, Washington to sit out of NBA restart
The first domino has dropped as Davis Bertans, a sweet shooting big, is going to bypass the return.  Bertans was the exact example of a player likely to sit out.  Washington currently sits 5.5 games back of the 8th seed.  Washington would need to gain 1.5 games on Orlando in the 8 regular season games just to get a chance at a play-in.  In that play-in, WAS would need to beat ORL two times in a row.  If ORL wins either of the first two games, they automatically are in the playoffs.  And on top of all that improbability, then WAS would face off against MIL in the 1st round.  Bertans is set to enter free agency, ready for a big pay day after averaging 15 PPG on 42% shooting from 3.  He doesn't want to risk an injury and ruin a potential financial heist this summer.
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I think this is a big issue and will cause a snag in whether the season resumes.  If there are guys that opt out of playing, I think the league has to look at it and then calculate if they do resume.  I don't think the league will want to see teams putting out less than their best guys.  Lets say the Wizards have 3 or 4 others opt out and they end up with a team of no names and would not be competitive.  And I think fans will turn away if that happens.  

It just feels like this deal is so fragile and could crumble at any time.  I give the NBA credit for making every attempt to play and keep everyone safe.  But it just feels like all of the questions around Corona and then the state of the discord around the country are going to prove to be a hurdle they can't overcome.  
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More players opting out-Avery Bradley (Lakers), Trevor Ariza (Trailblazers)-both are heavy rotational players for their respective teams.  The Blazers are 3.5 games back of the Grizzlies for the 8th seed.  They'd have to make up a ton of ground and it seems unlikely they do so.  Ariza says he's opting out because of an ongoing legal battle for custody.  Bradley was very vocal from day 1 about this for a variety of reasons but ultimately said he's opting out because he wants to continue to promote social justice change...it's a pretty big hit for LAL, they have a weak backcourt-Caldwell-Pope, Danny Green, Dion Waiters, Rajon Rondo, Alex Caruso, Troy Daniels, Quinn Cook are the players they'll have to rotate.  There's also heavy rumors of the Lakers signing JR Smith or Nick Young to fill Bradley's spot.  But Bradley was their defensive stopper on the perimeter.  There's a soft target date for opt outs and I thought we would've seen more by now...it's a good sign thus far this has been it.

More players testing positive for COVID-19-Nikola Jokic (DEN), Jabari Parker (Kings), Alex Len (Kings), Malcolm Brogdon (Pacers)-all three have said they plan to join their teams still after they quarantine.  I'm sure we'll get a pretty good batch, but there's still a few weeks for them left to quarantine and eventually test negative and still meet their teams in time for training camp.  We could get a surge of positive tests, but the real test will be players testing when they get there.  I feel rather confident the vast amount of positive tests will come now when players have had more freedom than they'll have in the bubble.
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-Spencer Dinwiddie, DeAndre Jordan both test positive for COVID-19
The Nets Dinwiddie and Jordan tested positive and Jordan has opted out of the season return.  Dinwiddie is questionable yet, but has also been on social media discussing his jersey for the return.  Dinwiddie initially tested negative, but went to NY to join teammates and begin workouts, then tested positive and now says he's doubting his return.  The Nets roster has been decimated by this, now without two other starters on top of Kyrie and Durant not playing.  In response, the Nets signed guard Tyler Johnson and wing Justin Anderson.  This Nets team is looking rather thin.  On top of all those, backup center Nicolas Claxton had a shoulder surgey and won't play either, and Wilson Chandler has opted out as well.
PG-Tyler Johnson, Chris Chiozza (2-way)
SG-Caris LaVert, Garrett Temple, Timothe Luwawu-Cabbarot
SF-Joe Harris, Dzanan Musa, Justin Anderson
PF-Taurean Prince, Rodions Kurucs
C-Jarrett Allen

That leaves the Nets at 10 players playing.  They can sign replacement players for all the players not playing in Orlando, but it leaves them razor thin.  The Nets are 30-34 in the 7th seed,1.5 games up on Orlando in the 8th spot and 6 games up on Washington in the 9th spot.  If Brooklyn has a rough 8 game stretch, they could see themselves in a play-in for the 8th seed.  They'd need to lose 2 more games than Washington for Washington to get within 4 games and then force a play-in.  Either way, this sets up well for the Bucks having a pretty easy 1st round opponent if Brooklyn manages to hang on to the 8th seed.

-JR Smith signs with LA Lakers
Not much news here.  Smith is being signed because Avery Bradley opted out.  I'm not sure how much he'll play considering LAL has Caldwell-Pope, Caruso, Danny Green and Dion Waiters to all play SG.
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