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Standings

Atomgt 44-10
Joe Bustos 41-13
Amped0808 41-13
Melkamania 41-13
DB 39-15
SonsofDonBosco 38-14
Megatron96 37-17
South56 36-10
MPZJamess 35-19
YoungFootball 19-6

Woodland Standings after Week 6

East

1. Whitnall 4-2 (4-1) X
2. South Milwaukee 4-2 (4-1) X
3. Milwaukee Lutheran 3-3 (3-2)
4. Cudahy 2-4 (2-3)
5. Greenfield 2-4 (2-3)
6. Brown Deer 1-5 (1-4)
7. Shorewood/Messmer 1-5 (1-4)

West

1. New Berlin Eisenhower 5-1 (4-1) X
2. Greendale 4-2 (4-1) X
3. New Berlin West 5-1 (4-1) X
4. Wisconsin Lutheran 3-3 (3-2)
5. Pewaukee 2-4 (2-3)
6. Pius XI 1-5 (1-4)
7. West Allis Central 0-6 (0-5) Z


Week Seven Matchups

Friday, 10/4

Greenfield at Cudahy
Brown Deer at South Milwaukee
Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall
Greendale at Milwaukee Lutheran
West Allis Central at New Berlin Eisenhower
Pius XI at New Berlin West
Pewaukee at Wisconsin Lutheran

Game of Note

Racine Case at Kenosha Bradford
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Friday, 10/4

Greenfield at Cudahy - The tale of unfulfilled expectations in the Woodland-East makes its way over to Cudahy this week. As is per usual the pick is Greenfield based on sheer talent, though I hope Cudahy and Barbian can dig deep and find something to get a win here, their playoff hopes almost depend on it. EDIT: Scratch the bolded, changing the pick, Greenfield lost to Messwood tonight. How, I don't know. Or do I?

Brown Deer at South Milwaukee - SM has more or less righted the ship intra-divisionally (last week's still forthcoming result notwithstanding) and should be able to handle the youthful and undermanned North Side Falcons.

Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall - The South Side Falcons played without their two-way standout last week and almost knocked off WISCO anyway. They shouldn't have any problems here, though as of the time of this post, Shorewood/Messmer holds a 12-7 lead over Greenfield. Not sure that'll hold in the balmy temps we will see on Monday, however.

Greendale at Milwaukee Lutheran - Can Greendale bring enough defense and keep Milwaukee Lutheran off the board in the first half (since that's one of the weird things we play for nowadays, I guess) as IKE is unlikely to concede any this week? I guess that's something to look at in what should be an otherwise uneventful matchup.

West Allis Central at New Berlin Eisenhower - Let's just spot IKE 35 and start the running clock from the get-go, OK?

Pius XI at New Berlin West - Other than Siegel maybe being tired from having to play twice in a week (over/under set 15 for carries vs. WAC though...taking the under), not sure Pius has any other prayer here. The Viking may set a record for most points scored in a calendar week here.

Pewaukee at Wisconsin Lutheran - Realistically, this is our best game of the week here. WISCO can relax a bit, at least knowing that their playoff future will likely be sealed in week nine, but you have to imagine they want a good showing here to really stamp their resume, especially after letting the NBW game slip away. The same thing I just said for WISCO also goes for Pewaukee. Is Pewaukee the better team, I really don't know, but picking WISCO has become such a dangerous game.

Game of Note

Racine Case at Kenosha Bradford - Bradford's struggles continue, and a team with a bad offense is the elixir Case usually thrives on. I do wonder how the Eagles will be affected by the short week having to play Oak Creek on Monday...particularly if that game gets sideways.
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db11 wrote:

Greendale at Milwaukee Lutheran - Can Greendale bring enough defense and keep Milwaukee Lutheran off the board in the first half (since that's one of the weird things we play for nowadays, I guess) as IKE is unlikely to concede any this week? I guess that's something to look at in what should be an otherwise uneventful matchup.
I'm confused: My understanding is that the first crossover game is considered non-conference, and so scoring/conference wins/standings would not count...while the end of season cross overs do count as a conference game an toward the WIAA playoff eligibility. (obviously not important toward tie-breakers determining crossover assignments though) My understanding for the reasoning of this was twofold: Have more .500 teams in conference to expand the number of playoff eligible teams and not punish teams in the standings and tie-breakers by getting matched with a top team from the other side while another team close in the standings got matched to a team of lesser standing.

But, if you look on the WIAA site, it appears as if they're counting the non-con crossovers. At week 5, NB Ike should be officially 2-1 in conference standings, but are listed as 3-1 including their win over Greenfield. (the same is true for WSN listings) Not sure if this is something that needs to be brought to the attention of the AD's and the WIAA.

 

But my understanding is that the first tie-breaker standing is: GDHS - 21 pts allowed and having to face Wisco yet, NB Ike - 33 pts allowed, NB West - 44 pts allowed and each having to play pius/wac.  

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joebustos wrote:
I'm confused: My understanding is that the first crossover game is considered non-conference, and so scoring/conference wins/standings would not count...while the end of season cross overs do count as a conference game an toward the WIAA playoff eligibility. (obviously not important toward tie-breakers determining crossover assignments though) My understanding for the reasoning of this was twofold: Have more .500 teams in conference to expand the number of playoff eligible teams and not punish teams in the standings and tie-breakers by getting matched with a top team from the other side while another team close in the standings got matched to a team of lesser standing.

 

But, if you look on the WIAA site, it appears as if they're counting the non-con crossovers. At week 5, NB Ike should be officially 2-1 in conference standings, but are listed as 3-1 including their win over Greenfield. (the same is true for WSN listings) Not sure if this is something that needs to be brought to the attention of the AD's and the WIAA.

 

But my understanding is that the first tie-breaker standing is: GDHS - 21 pts allowed and having to face Wisco yet, NB Ike - 33 pts allowed, NB West - 44 pts allowed and each having to play pius/wac.  



Unless something has changed from a year ago, all crossovers count towards the conference standings. Not sure if tie-breakers are only counting division games stats or not.

Might be worth confirming that with the AD because as of right now all projections and the WIAA are working off that assumption.

Of course, a change being missed wouldn't surprise me considering the Midwest Classic teams found out KCL wasn't actually in their league just a week ago.

I'm confused by the bolded part, however. If you don't count one of the crossovers, it wouldn't be possible to have teams with a .500 conference record as there would be an odd number of conference games...
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I'm confused by the bolded part, however. If you don't count one of the crossovers, it wouldn't be possible to have teams with a .500 conference record as there would be an odd number of conference games...
I'm not confused at all, as 10 o'clock on a Monday morning is awfully early for Joe Bustos. Ã°Å¸ËœÅ“ You're correct, but I do not think the crossover count toward the tie-breakers, only divisional games.
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joebustos wrote:
I'm not confused at all, as 10 o'clock on a Monday morning is awfully early for Joe Bustos. ÃƒÂ°Ã…¸ËœÅ“ You're correct, but I do not think the crossover count toward the tie-breakers, only divisional games.


As is becoming my rallying cry..."the 2020 re-alignment and conference uniformity can't get here fast enough."
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Greenfield at Cudahy- I DON'T KNOW! I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? USE HARSH LANGUAGE? (pick changed 10/4 @10:07 am)

Brown Deer at South Milwaukee- SM should get the job done after the easier than expected result from Monday.


Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall- My pick could change as we learn more about how S/M was able to pull off a most unexpected win and why Valcarcel didn't play.

Greendale at Milwaukee Lutheran- Playing away, on a grass field, always seems to be unkind to the Panthers. (Maybe because that's mostly Ike and West...mostly) but this a critical week for the Panthers to start to show that they're getting it in sync.

West Allis Central at New Berlin Eisenhower- Look up fait accompli and you'll find the box score to this game. WAC's goal at this point is to keep the game fun, keep the players engaged, and focus on basic improvements daily in practice. Don't want to loose them before heading back to the GMC...

Pius XI at New Berlin West- Credit to Pius; I have seen much worse *bad* teams. Pius is young...this team could be decent if they stick to it.

Pewaukee at Wisconsin Lutheran- Pewaukee is teetering, while Wisco is overperforming. Wisco is a dangerous team to underestimate, true, but Pewaukee players likely feel that have no business overlooking anyone...


Game of Note

Racine Case at Kenosha Bradford

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Friday, 10/4

Greenfield at Cudahy
Brown Deer at South Milwaukee
Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall
Greendale at Milwaukee Lutheran
West Allis Central at New Berlin Eisenhower
Pius XI at New Berlin West
Pewaukee at Wisconsin Lutheran

Game of Note

Racine Case at Kenosha Bradford
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db11 wrote:

As is becoming my rallying cry..."the 2020 re-alignment and conference uniformity can't get here fast enough."

Agreed. The idea of counting one crossover and not another is, and always has been, just ridiculous. I've long felt this whole divisional alignment in the Woodland smelled of the conference leadership using what they can control (conference bylaws) to influence what they otherwise can't control (playoff eligibility).
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Friday, 10/4

Greenfield at Cudahy - I went against my own rules and actually picked Greenfield for once and go figure... they blew it. Maybe they'll still beat Cudahy but I feel like this one is a lot more of a coin flip than people here realize. This whole division is a tossup. His blanket statements might seem dismissive to those concerned but Melkamania isn't wrong when he discounts the whole group. The East's lack of quality opposition throughout the season will ultimately spell doom for whomever they send to the playoffs.

Brown Deer at South Milwaukee - Somehow SM has morphed into a running team while we weren't looking. There's something about the sight of a 6'4" QB running the option that just feels off. The wishbone it ain't but it's nice to see something finally working for them.  It should work for another week, at least, but the double-whammy of a Week 9 crossover and then a first-round date with the likes of Waterford, Brook East or BC looms large. 

Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall - Until that loss to Wisco, the Blue Falcons were starting to look like they might make the Woodland's Week 9 "championship game" interesting but now it looks more like the East will be sending Dynomutt out there again. 

Greendale at Milwaukee Lutheran - If South Milwaukee could beat the Red Lutherans 24-0, what's the final score going to look like for this one? 

West Allis Central at New Berlin Eisenhower - Actually, it might look kind of like this score. Ike skates by easy once again, feeling no repercussions for their transgressions and getting the sense that the suspensions are actually making them stronger by allowing more kids to step up. Nice one, New Berlin. Way to stand up for what's right and good in the world. ðŸ™„

Pius XI at New Berlin West - And here's another potential blowout. If what some folks here are saying and Pius is building something, I'm really glad to hear it. I hope they can stay healthy and get committed to the weight room during the offseason.

(Meanwhile, seriously, that's at least three games this week with a very strong potential to be completely non-competitive. Is that really what high school football is about?) 

Pewaukee at Wisconsin Lutheran - Pewaukee's played a lot of close games this season and I can't help but feel that this will likely be another. In that scenario I'll take the kids coming off of a big win. They're feeling good about themselves and confident, and that does matter.
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Greenfield at Cudahy
Brown Deer at South Milwaukee
Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall
Greendale at Milwaukee Lutheran
West Allis Central at New Berlin Eisenhower
Pius XI at New Berlin West
Pewaukee at Wisconsin Lutheran

Game of Note
Racine Case at Kenosha Bradford
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Friday, 10/4

Greenfield at Cudahy
Brown Deer at South Milwaukee
Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall
Greendale at Milwaukee Lutheran
West Allis Central at New Berlin Eisenhower
Pius XI at New Berlin West
Pewaukee at Wisconsin Lutheran

Game of Note

Racine Case at Kenosha Bradford
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Friday, 10/4

Greenfield at Cudahy: This pick would've been GF but they BSOD'ed agaisnt S/M Monday.

Brown Deer at South Milwaukee: Well are the Rockets the #2 team in the East?

Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall: Well now S/M showed some life Monday by upending GF. Too bad Whitnall has Varacel.

Greendale at Milwaukee Lutheran: G'Dale may have some offensive issues early on but shouldn't have much more trouble than that.

West Allis Central at New Berlin Eisenhower: IKE rolls. WAC has still a ways to go in order to be competitive.

Pius XI at New Berlin West: West shouldn't have much issue here.

Pewaukee at Wisconsin Lutheran: Should be a close game I think

Game of Note

Racine Case at Kenosha Bradford
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Week Seven Matchups

Friday, 10/4

Greenfield at
Cudahy
The Barbian show 

Brown Deer at South Milwaukee
Brown Deer is bad 

Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall
Nate Varcacel goes for 400

Greendale at Milwaukee Lutheran
Your 2019 Woodland Champs 

West Allis Central at New Berlin Eisenhower
WAC is bad 

Pius XI at New Berlin West
Ground and Pound

Pewaukee at Wisconsin Lutheran
Pewaukee continues to get better every week. 

Game of Note

Racine Case at Kenosha Bradford

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Friday, 10/4

Greenfield at Cudahy - I have to take GF based on the talent disparity again. I don’t learn my lesson. Cudahy has serious issues and a lack of quality depth. But last week was real bad for GF, things really unraveled again. And Joe Koch is not walking through that door. GF has somehow put their playoff fate in jeopardy. Their upset loss last week could also shift the cutlines for divisions. They may have made some teams happy and done a disservice to others. That will be the loss that teams in other divisions will remember impacting their seasons. We remember the teams that had to forfeit games retroactively and we remember the teams that found a way to lose a game that you didn’t think were possible to lose.

Messwood entered the game at 0-5 against a soft schedule and had been taken to the shed in most of the games. Their point differential was scary. But against GF it was a day to remember for the offense. They rushed for 325 yards. QB’s continue to salivate when they see GF. Coming into the game, the Messwood qb had only thrown 1 td and completed about a third of his passes. He threw for 2 td’s and posted a 129.5 rating while averaging 30 yards a completion in limited attempts. Messwood amassed totals on Monday that it took several games to compile this season. In this day and age it pays to have someone who understands how to game plan on defense.

I won’t study the field to see if I think GF can still make the playoffs. The good news is that they shouldn’t have any trouble at all with Cudahy this week as they have really labored against a weak SOS.

Brown Deer at South Milwaukee - South Milwaukee still has a chance at the Woodland Title Game.

Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall - Back to reality for SM this week.

Greendale
at Milwaukee Lutheran - Give me GD. GD has essentially been done with their regular season since they beat Pewaukee. Milwaukee Lutheran doesn’t have the firepower on O that they used to and it’s been a tough year for them. This game will be one sided. GD isn’t sure what they are this year. We will see how much they can develop before a meaningful match up. More questions than answers these days.

West Allis Central at New Berlin Eisenhower - I will select IKE. You can argue if IKE will score more points this week or next week, but it doesn’t matter. Kern will call off the dogs early in both games. Both games will be a disservice to the teams involved as the Woodland has assembled a model that doesn’t work well for many reasons. Many of the problems will still exist going forward even after the changes for next year. I know there are obstacles in almost everything, but the conference was poorly constructed on so many levels. Then unconventional decisions had to be made to fit the odd format. The amount of uncompetitive teams and the disparity in many games has to be disappointing.

I don’t think I have anything to say about the upcoming game. I will say that John Wesling is working hard on both sides of the ball. John Wesling invented the Olympic Games in hopes of finding a worthy opponent.

Tiebreakers will probably matter in the coming weeks. I’m not projecting anything yet as Woodland teams will have to eventually play teams outside of the conference. Word did get out yesterday though that CMH could fall to D4 if a few things happened. I hope they remain in D3.

I heard from a lot of folks who enjoyed the grainy highlights that I put up from the late 80’s classic IKE versus New Berlin West football game. People love the nostalgia and that rivalry. Here’s some rivalry game highlights on the hardwood in which West pulls off a massive upset over IKE, it’s clear as a bell courtesy of the old Jones Intercable group, I believe. Turn up the volume and enjoy the commentary if you can spare 90 seconds:
. Jamie Reeve of New Berlin West, a solid role player and great leader rallied his team over the more talented Eisenhower squad and Matt Pierce in a 1991 game which was an instant classic.

Pius XI at New Berlin West - Poor Pius.

Pewaukee
at Wisconsin Lutheran - Pewaukee needs this one bad to salvage the season.

Game of Note

Racine Case at Kenosha Bradford - Jed isn't walking through this door anytime. Although Jed's Bama Club is 2-4 this year.
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