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Woodland Standings after Week 7

East

1. Shorewood/Messmer 6-1 (5-1) X
2. Milwaukee Lutheran 4-3 (4-2) X
3. South Milwaukee 4-3 (4-2) X
4. Cudahy 2-5 (2-4)
5. Greenfield 2-5 (2-4)
6. Whitnall 2-5 (2-4)
7. Brown Deer 1-6 (1-5)

West

1. New Berlin Eisenhower 7-0 (6-0) X
2. Greendale 6-1 (5-1) X
3. New Berlin West 5-2 (4-2) X
4. Pewaukee 3-4 (3-3)
5. Wisconsin Lutheran 3-4 (3-3)
6. West Allis Central 1-6 (1-5) Z
7. Pius XI 0-7 (0-6) Z

Week Eight Matchups

Friday, 10/5

Brown Deer at Milwaukee Lutheran
Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall
Greenfield at Cudahy
South Milwaukee at New Berlin Eisenhower
New Berlin West at West Allis Central
Pius XI at Greendale
Pewaukee at Wisconsin Lutheran

Game of Note

Lake Geneva Badger at Elkhorn

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Friday, 10/5

Brown Deer at Milwaukee Lutheran - If Payne is out for any stretch, things get real iffy for the Red Knights. Still, they shouldn't have any issue with the Falcons this week.

Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall - S/M keeps finding ways to win and keeps finding luck on their side. Such is the state of the East though, that this game remains a bit of a toss-up.

Greenfield at Cudahy - Lopez seems to be settling in at QB for Greenfield. Cudahy sliding backwards after a decent stretch mid-season. GF's playoff hopes on the line. They found a way against Whitnall, and they will again here.

South Milwaukee at New Berlin Eisenhower - Galewski's back in charge for SM and it's resulted in two wins in two weeks. That mini-streak comes to an end this week, but keep an eye on the Rockets moving forward.

New Berlin West at West Allis Central - NBW doesn't have the big names or the flashy offense, but they have been really consistent these last few years. That's credit to them existing in the shadows of the bigger names of the Woodland.

Pius XI at Greendale - Pius got a score against IKE, so they got that going for them, they'll probably get one here too. Greendale will score a-plenty.

Pewaukee at Wisconsin Lutheran - I officially pronounced the WISCO program dead after last week. Now watch them find a win here. Ha, who am I kidding?

Game of Note

Lake Geneva Badger at Elkhorn - Becoming less-and-less sure of LGB's playoff chances. Prove me unnecessarily worried.
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Week Eight Matchups

Friday, 10/5

Brown Deer at Milwaukee Lutheran - Red Lutherans against the Brown Deer Brown Deer? Would love to see BD keep this one close too, but ML is likely pretty aggrieved at dropping a winnable game to the co-op and should be motivated to play their best here.

Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall - It would be a fitting cap to the way the East has gone this year for Whitnall to pull out this one of all games and deny the new frontrunners an undisputed division title. Just might happen, too.

Greenfield at Cudahy - I've picked against Greenfield all year and they've only surprised me twice? I think Cudahy gets back on track here. They got blanked last week because they ran up against an extremely motivated 100-year rival that wanted nothing more in their young lives than to send the Packers packing for homecoming. Greenfield is not that.

South Milwaukee at New Berlin Eisenhower - SM will achieve its best potential with Galewski at the helm, because that's what happens when you have a great motivator who loves the community and sells out for the kids. They respond. It won't be enough against Ike-- they're just too good up front on D right now-- but what looked like another ho-hum finish in Rocketland has gotten a lot more exciting.

New Berlin West at West Allis Central - West rolls this week. 

Pius XI at Greendale - See New Berlin West.  Another week of the West's haves and have-nots. I hate these games.

Pewaukee at Wisconsin Lutheran - Which of these teams has a shot at the playoffs and first-round sacrificial lamb status against Memorial? I honestly thought Wisco's experience would be more beneficial to them this year than it has been. 
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Brown Deer at Milwaukee Lutheran - No game...

Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall - ...is truly assured...

Greenfield at Cudahy - ...in the east.

South Milwaukee at New Berlin Eisenhower - Ike should win comfortably...and glad Galewski is back. Always was a stand-up guy in my interactions with him, both in football and baseball. As proof that there are few loops that include me, I was unaware that Bertok was no longer the HC at SM...what is the story here?

New Berlin West at West Allis Central - I have to admit that I was surprised watching this game. WAC had players. Their line was big, and not sloppy. They had enough skill players with speed and ability to do football things. They played hard the whole game, and I didn't see quit in them. How this is not a more competitive team, I don't know. 

Pius XI at Greendale - Dismayed at the current state of PiusXI football, but hopeful about it's future.

Pewaukee at Wisconsin Lutheran - Toss up. Aside from last week's NBW result against Wisco, these two teams have played similar opponents similarly. I think Pewaukee has strength in the inside game, but Wisco has the ability to get the ball outside. Pewaukee has the discipline to excel against Wisco's offense, and vice versa.

 

Game of Note

Lake Geneva Badger at Elkhorn 

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South Milwaukee at New Berlin Eisenhower - Ike should win comfortably...and glad Galewski is back. Always was a stand-up guy in my interactions with him, both in football and baseball. As proof that there are few loops that include me, I was unaware that Bertok was no longer the HC at SM...what is the story here?

New Berlin West at West Allis Central - I have to admit that I was surprised watching this game. WAC had players. Their line was big, and not sloppy. They had enough skill players with speed and ability to do football things. They played hard the whole game, and I didn't see quit in them. How this is not a more competitive team, I don't know. 



-Same on Galewski. West Allis Central could use someone like him (instead all their great alum football coaches have fled to Muskego, OC or Martin Luther). Bertok resigned for personal reasons. That's the official line anyway.

-Attitude...and a complete disregard for defensive fundamentals. They're definitely not short on size or kids who can play...which makes these running clocks in the Woodland all the more frustrating. The demographics have changed, but I'm real curious to how Krause would do with this group in the Woodland. Probably rushing to the tune of 350-400 yards a game. 😏
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db11 wrote:

Same on Galewski. West Allis Central could use someone like him (instead all their great alum football coaches have fled to Muskego, OC or Martin Luther). Bertok resigned for personal reasons. That's the official line anyway.

Rodriguez was a WAC guy, wasn't he? QB on that '90 team. Although I guess they've really only truly bottomed out since he left.

As far as Bertok, no idea what his personal reasons were but I can say that South Milwaukee is a surprisingly hard place to coach.  Deans, Hoff, and Bertok were all young guys when they took that job and none made it to four full seasons. Worth noting... all three were "outsiders" and despite its location in Milwaukee County, South Milwaukee is far more like an isolated small town than a metro area suburb.  SM is its own worst enemy in some ways. Galewski is the only guy this century who's proven that he can not just succeed within that framework, but he can even occasionally turn the place's inbuilt limitations into an advantage. They'd do well to keep him around for as long as he'd like to stay-- and only replace him with someone similarly tied to the community.
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Rodriguez was a WAC guy, wasn't he? QB on that '90 team. Although I guess they've really only truly bottomed out since he left.

As far as Bertok, no idea what his personal reasons were but I can say that South Milwaukee is a surprisingly hard place to coach.  Deans, Hoff, and Bertok were all young guys when they took that job and none made it to four full seasons. Worth noting... all three were "outsiders" and despite its location in Milwaukee County, South Milwaukee is far more like an isolated small town than a metro area suburb.  SM is its own worst enemy in some ways. Galewski is the only guy this century who's proven that he can not just succeed within that framework, but he can even occasionally turn the place's inbuilt limitations into an advantage. They'd do well to keep him around for as long as he'd like to stay-- and only replace him with someone similarly tied to the community.


Yep, he was. At Muskego you got Krause, Lucchesi, Michlig (latter two played for Krause...actually not sure if Jim's still on staff), OC has Hluchnik (Krause's DC) and Spata. Martin Luther has Rodriguez and Pfaller. Hoppert, while not a WAC alum, was on Krause's staff at WAC for 6-7 years.

All of them moved on to literally greener pastures. It's sad but a sign of the times. Krause was living in Wind Lake already when he was coaching at WAC and once Cody and the other kids started getting older he wanted to be where they were going to school. Worked out well for him after a couple years under Sterner.

If you go back and look at the WAC coaching staffs circa 2000, no joke it's 90% WAC alums. Scott Otto was also on those staffs. The Krause coaching tree is quite impressive. Now, only Barron Johnson remains from that time, and even he followed Krause to Muskego, only coming back when his sons (Griffin, currently playing at UWP, and Gunther, a senior lineman at WAC) reached HS. There's one other WAC grad on staff, and one Hale guy as well, I should mention. I barely know any of the faculty anymore. There's very little connection in the program to the past (get rid of those damn uniforms. We're maroon & gold, not black & gold for Sobocinski's sake!) and it shows...big time.

They actually had some young alums come back to teach and coach, but I know some fell victim to staff reductions and are no longer there. Sign of the times for the old factory towns, I guess.
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Yep, he was. At Muskego you got Krause, Lucchesi, Michlig (latter two played for Krause...actually not sure if Jim's still on staff), OC has Hluchnik (Krause's DC) and Spata. Martin Luther has Rodriguez and Pfaller. Hoppert, while not a WAC alum, was on Krause's staff at WAC for 6-7 years.

All of them moved on to literally greener pastures. It's sad but a sign of the times. Krause was living in Wind Lake already when he was coaching at WAC and once Cody and the other kids started getting older he wanted to be where they were going to school. Worked out well for him after a couple years under Sterner.

If you go back and look at the WAC coaching staffs circa 2000, no joke it's 90% WAC alums. Scott Otto was also on those staffs. The Krause coaching tree is quite impressive. Now, only Barron Johnson remains from that time, and even he followed Krause to Muskego, only coming back when his sons (Griffin, currently playing at UWP, and Gunther, a senior lineman at WAC) reached HS. There's one other WAC grad on staff, and one Hale guy as well, I should mention. I barely know any of the faculty anymore. There's very little connection in the program to the past (get rid of those damn uniforms. We're maroon & gold, not black & gold for Sobocinski's sake!) and it shows...big time.

They actually had some young alums come back to teach and coach, but I know some fell victim to staff reductions and are no longer there. Sign of the times for the old factory towns, I guess.

Amazing how familiar all of this sounds. And just to close the loop, you know where Sobocinski grew up and went to HS. South Milwaukee.
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Amazing how familiar all of this sounds. And just to close the loop, you know where Sobocinski grew up and went to HS. South Milwaukee.


Yup. That Kollath kid at Sussex is his gandson, BTW.
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db11 wrote:

Yup. That Kollath kid at Sussex is his gandson, BTW.

You could field several top programs with the legacy kids from factory towns like WAC, Cudahy and SM. Players and coaches alike. The list goes on. Look at all the Cudahy alums on staffs around the area. One of Knoche's sons is the DC at nationally-ranked Chandler, AZ.  The AD at D3 #14 Wittenberg is another SM alum. Etc. But now guys like Krause (in his WAC years) and Galewski are the exception, not the rule. It's why I think Wasikowski will ultimately build something at Cudahy... and why it'll make a great story when he does. Like Stoltz at Greendale, but more surprising because he didn't have the boosters, strong youth program, or even close to as many solid families.

The barrier of entry for the playoffs is a lot lower these days if you start in a wealthy suburb. It takes a lot more in places like these.
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Week Eight Matchups

Friday, 10/5

Brown Deer at Milwaukee Lutheran - Nothing guaranteed in the East but this should be the surest bet.
Shorewood/Messmer at Whitnall - Have about the same thoughts on this one but seems like Whitnall now than weeks 1-3.
Greenfield at Cudahy - Went back and forth on this. Would have loved for Cudahy to be playoff team this year. Tougher sledding with dropping last week's game to South Milwaukee after the Brown Deer loss. 
South Milwaukee at New Berlin Eisenhower - Following the conversation from above, it would be great in SM finally have the guy to build a team in the East to compete with the West. Just not happening yet. 
New Berlin West at West Allis Central - West continues to be a tough team. Excited to see how they fare in the playoffs.
Pius XI at Greendale - Ouch!
Pewaukee at Wisconsin Lutheran - Tough game to pick, both teams need it. 

Game of Note

Lake Geneva Badger at Elkhorn
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It's why I think Wasikowski will ultimately build something at Cudahy... and why it'll make a great story when he does. Like Stoltz at Greendale, but more surprising because he didn't have the boosters, strong youth program, or even close to as many solid families.

The barrier of entry for the playoffs is a lot lower these days if you start in a wealthy suburb. It takes a lot more in places like these.


It sounds like a lot of teams' struggles to make a turn are tied to the numbers then can field. I believe this is year 5 for Wasikowski so I hope the work he has put in starts to pay off. Has that team seen increase in participation? It seems weird but he must be on of the more tenured coaches in the East now?

The other big factor that assume hurting these schools is putting together a strong staff. Its come up more than once in here about the Families of Cudahy, South Milwaukee (etc) Past are raising their children in the bordering cities. I assume this affects the ability to build a staff? Maybe I am wrong here? Thoughts?

Also, what did Stoltz's start at Greendale looks like? What was the state of that program? And how was his early record?

Koch had some instant success at GF. I don't remember seeing that splashing success anywhere else? I feel like it is about a 5year process maybe more depending on the city and state of the program inherited. 
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Youngfootball. Thanks for the Greendale question. I believe that Coach Stoltz is 121-36. He got to the State Championship game in his 3rd year and again 5 yrs later. He was 45-13 in his first 5 yrs. Great community support, administrative support, and solid socio-economic conditions do help.  Joe Bustos could double check my work but I think I’m close. Got to go pick up a pizza at Ricardo’s. Thanks again for the question and good luck to all those making picks this week!!!
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Stoltz's first season was 2001, they first made it to state in 2006. Next trip to state was 2013. To the question of what did the program look like when Stoltz got there, I'd say it was a solid program with good players, that maybe underachieved. Stoltz's first two seasons they qualified for the playoffs, and next two did not. They have qualified every year since the 2005 season.

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