westfalls
I was hoping for a few more wins before the offseason started. Oh well. It will be interesting to see what happens. Does anybody get fired? Does Thompson retire? We will see. Here is was we do know, They will be a little over $35 million under the salary cap. It usually takes about 9.5 million to sign your draft picks. That gives the Packers about $25 to spend on players if they chose to. Once they cut Shields it's up to $33 million and could be more if they cut more players.

2017 Free Agents with salary from 2016
Julius Pepper 8.6 million
TJ Lang 5.2 million
Nick Perry 5 million
Jared Cook 2.75 million
Datone Jones 1.9 million
Brett Goode, Eddy Lacy, Christine Michael, Don Barcley, JC Tretter, Micah Hyde all make less than 1 million.

In my opinion guys I would like to see back are Jared Cook, Micah Hyde, and Nick Perry. I am not sure if they will be able to do that. I figure Perry will want 8-10 Million, Cook around 7-8 million and Hyde 5 million which puts that number up to around 21 million to resign. That leaves about 12 million for other players and the packers never seen to max out their spending. They have hole at linemen depth if all 3 FA linemen are let go. I am not a fan of Starks who is under contract, and with the FA running backs they need help at that position. They draft will help with some of they depth.

Corner is an area they need to get much better in. Here are some 2017 FA corners.
Trumaine Johnson, Brandon Carr, Prince Amukamora, Stephan Gilmore, DJ Hayden. There are plenty more.
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I would like to see a couple mid-tier F/A signings.
LB and DB seen most important to me.
As DB11has stated this league is about QB (we are good there), WR (we are ok there) and DB (not so good).

2 or 3 quality players could change the defensive dynamic.

I don't know what to make of TT, Capers.
Does Capers have the players?
Lots of injuries.
Or, does the NFL have Capers #?

It's still about execution.
There seemed to be guys wide open last night.
No one within 10 yards, it was shown in a graphic twice that I saw.
Is that poor execution or poor scheme?
Or both?


Again, not wholesale FA just to do it, but guys on their first venture that may not be huge names but are solid players.
Maybe guys you have a book on that you liked when they were drafted.
Something TT refuses to do.

JMO, nothing more.


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I think it will also be interesting to see if TT retires and what direction the new GM wants to go in with coaching, drft and FA.
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I'm curious to see how serious TJ Lang's injury was yesterday, and how that affects his FA value. He seems like a guy they would want to bring back along with JC Tretter who should be relatively cheap.
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thecrackerjack wrote:
I'm curious to see how serious TJ Lang's injury was yesterday, and how that affects his FA value. He seems like a guy they would want to bring back along with JC Tretter who should be relatively cheap.


Lang is scheduled for hip surgery on Friday.
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db11 wrote:
thecrackerjack wrote:
I'm curious to see how serious TJ Lang's injury was yesterday, and how that affects his FA value. He seems like a guy they would want to bring back along with JC Tretter who should be relatively cheap.


Lang is scheduled for hip surgery on Friday.


Make that hip and foot surgery on Friday, but both procedures are described as "scopes." Well, that answers that.
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westfalls wrote:
I think it will also be interesting to see if TT retires and what direction the new GM wants to go in with coaching, drft and FA.


The team needs to rethink paying huge money to defensive players. Nearly $28 million of the Packer salary total of $89 Million was paid to 4 defensive players. Matthews had 2 tackles total the past 2 playoff games. Peppers had about the same. Shields didn't play and Burnett was hurt(yet again).

Cant spend the majority of your money on defense on a few guys and expect much of a defense, especially when one of the 4 is OLD OLD OLD. Peppers was worth 1-2 million max and too bring him back for even that is sketchy. Shields is probably done. Matthews is a caricature of what he was. Still has the long hair and still apes well for the camera - he just doesn't consistently make the plays anymore. Burnett can be a great player, but can he stay healthy?

Might be tough for many to hear, but if Matthews was on the Patriot team the past few years; he would have been GONE this year. Pats don't overpay guys(not even for an extra year IF they are worth it). There is a reason the Pats continually can reload and bring in older vets for a year or two.

Pack has to get a "GUY" that can handle the Salary Cap better too. Negotiation is part of the world - NFL included.
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Article in the JS listed the Packers defensive numbers in playoff losses dating back to the debacle with Harbaugh's 49ers. Simply awful!! TT and Capers should share the blame but the public face of the defense is Capers, and at age 66 it's time for him to step down (or be fired). Note: Giants' D was mediocre in 2015, but became a top 5 force in 2016 with addition of a handful of free agents and a productive draft. And, the Vikings' Zimmer has built a tough-as-nails unit in just a couple of years.

Do not re-sign list: Barclay, Starks, Peppers, Shields

Grading 2016 newcomers: Cook (B+), Clark (C+), Spriggs (C-), Fackrell (C), Martinez (C+), Lowry (C+), Murphy (?), Allison (B), Brice (B-), Schum (B-), and Evans (C+), and Others ???????

Refund part of their salary list (largest to smallest $$): Randall, Rollins, Peppers, Matthews

Top 3 2017 draft choices: 1 = corner; 2 = D-line; 3= LB; 4 = corner; 5 = OL; 6 = D-line; and 7 = LB
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I don't think this team can afford the luxury of "drafting and developing" at this point.
That's 3 to 4 years to get decent production out of young draftees.
I think this team has to sign 2, 3 maybe even 4 mid-tier FA this off-season.
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Just the way it is.
BTW-I don't think the organization is in any danger of going bankrupt any time soon

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I agree that they can't draft and develop players and expect to win a super bowl. There CB and MLB are below average in my opinion. They need to up grade. There will be many players out there in the offseason that won't break the bank and be an improvement and will take a 1-2 year deal. Their DT and DE are average at best and more depth would help.

Sign veteran CB and MLB, draft for depth on OL and DL. Draft a RB to go along with Montgomery and Starks. (STarks should be cut IMO but we will see how that goes) Resign Lacy and don't draft RB if he takes a small 1 year deal.
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westfalls wrote:
I agree that they can't draft and develop players and expect to win a super bowl. There CB and MLB are below average in my opinion. They need to up grade. There will be many players out there in the offseason that won't break the bank and be an improvement and will take a 1-2 year deal. Their DT and DE are average at best and more depth would help.

Sign veteran CB and MLB, draft for depth on OL and DL. Draft a RB to go along with Montgomery and Starks. (STarks should be cut IMO but we will see how that goes) Resign Lacy and don't draft RB if he takes a small 1 year deal.

Solid plan!


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TT has got to go. He has missed on too many defensive draft picks. Perry has been good this year, but oft injured. HaHa has been solid, but Datone and Randall have not produced as hoped. I was not impressed with Clark. He got pushed around yesterday and his season was underwhelming. He is young so we shall see. Hey, maybe Raji has a change of heart and comes out of retirement.
Like many have already said, this team needs some depth. Pick up some mid-level FA's for the secondary and MLB/LB positions. Time to cut Starks. I don't think Montgomery is the answer at RB. He filled in admirably this year, but long term, I just don't see it. He can be a change of pace guy, but carrying the ball 15-20 times a game, I just don't see it happening, plus his injury history is an issue. Either move Clay to MLB or cut him.
Watching the game yesterday, it was clear that Atlanta had more special athletes on O than the Packers. I still think that Cappers needs to go. A defense can only bend so much before it breaks. Get a pass rusher, probably from the draft because FA pass rushers come at a premium cost.
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Defensive draft picks since 2009 (highlighted means still with the team): Source:http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=1800&type=team
2009: 1st round - Raji
1st round - [h]Matthews[/h]
late rounds: Wynn, Underwood, Wilson
2010: 2nd round - Neal
3rd round - [h]Burnett[/h]
late round - Wilson
2011: 4th round - House
late round - Smith, Elmore, Guy
2012: 1st Round - [h]Perry[/h]
2nd round - Worthy
2nd round - Hayward
4th round - [h]Daniels[/h]
4th round - McMillan
5th round - Manning
2013: 1st round - [h]Jones[/h]
5th round - [h]Hyde[/h]
5th round - Boyd
late rounds - Barrington and Palmer
2014: 1st round - [h]Clinton-Dix[/h]
3rd round - Thorton
4th round - Bradford
6th round - [h]Goodson[/h]
2015: 1st round - [h]Randall[/h]
2nd round - [h]Rollins[/h]
4th round - [h]Ryan[/h]
6th round - [h]Ringo[/h]
2016: 1st round - [h]Clark[/h]
3rd round - [h]Fackrell [/h]
4th round - [h]Martinez[/h]
4th round - [h]Lowry[/h]
Out of the previous 2 draft's, who would you say is good? Out of the guys still remaining, these are the guys that I think are productive: Clinton-Dix, Burnett, Daniels, Hyde, Perry (this year largely), and Matthews can be productive in the middle yet, but as an OLB, I don't think he can do it anymore, not to mention his constant injuries. Too many misses for a draft and develop team.
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cgrade23 wrote:
Defensive draft picks since 2009 (highlighted means still with the team): Source:http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=1800&type=team
2009: 1st round - Raji
1st round - [h]Matthews[/h]
late rounds: Wynn, Underwood, Wilson
2010: 2nd round - Neal
3rd round - [h]Burnett[/h]
late round - Wilson
2011: 4th round - House
late round - Smith, Elmore, Guy
2012: 1st Round - [h]Perry[/h]
2nd round - Worthy
2nd round - Hayward
4th round - [h]Daniels[/h]
4th round - McMillan
5th round - Manning
2013: 1st round - [h]Jones[/h]
5th round - [h]Hyde[/h]
5th round - Boyd
late rounds - Barrington and Palmer
2014: 1st round - [h]Clinton-Dix[/h]
3rd round - Thorton
4th round - Bradford
6th round - [h]Goodson[/h]
2015: 1st round - [h]Randall[/h]
2nd round - [h]Rollins[/h]
4th round - [h]Ryan[/h]
6th round - [h]Ringo[/h]
2016: 1st round - [h]Clark[/h]
3rd round - [h]Fackrell [/h]
4th round - [h]Martinez[/h]
4th round - [h]Lowry[/h]
Out of the previous 2 draft's, who would you say is good? Out of the guys still remaining, these are the guys that I think are productive: Clinton-Dix, Burnett, Daniels, Hyde, Perry (this year largely), and Matthews can be productive in the middle yet, but as an OLB, I don't think he can do it anymore, not to mention his constant injuries. Too many misses for a draft and develop team.


I think Martinez and Ryan will be solid picks as well, particularly Martinez, but your point is very valid. Too many defensive picks wasted. I don't think the Packers have much of a choice, they have to go defense again in this draft. I would love to see Marlon Humphrey in a Packer uniform.
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cgrade23 wrote:
Defensive draft picks since 2009 (highlighted means still with the team): Source:http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=1800&type=team
2009: 1st round - Raji
1st round - [h]Matthews[/h]
late rounds: Wynn, Underwood, Wilson
2010: 2nd round - Neal
3rd round - [h]Burnett[/h]
late round - Wilson
2011: 4th round - House
late round - Smith, Elmore, Guy
2012: 1st Round - [h]Perry[/h]
2nd round - Worthy
2nd round - Hayward
4th round - [h]Daniels[/h]
4th round - McMillan
5th round - Manning
2013: 1st round - [h]Jones[/h]
5th round - [h]Hyde[/h]
5th round - Boyd
late rounds - Barrington and Palmer
2014: 1st round - [h]Clinton-Dix[/h]
3rd round - Thorton
4th round - Bradford
6th round - [h]Goodson[/h]
2015: 1st round - [h]Randall[/h]
2nd round - [h]Rollins[/h]
4th round - [h]Ryan[/h]
6th round - [h]Ringo[/h]
2016: 1st round - [h]Clark[/h]
3rd round - [h]Fackrell [/h]
4th round - [h]Martinez[/h]
4th round - [h]Lowry[/h]
Out of the previous 2 draft's, who would you say is good? Out of the guys still remaining, these are the guys that I think are productive: Clinton-Dix, Burnett, Daniels, Hyde, Perry (this year largely), and Matthews can be productive in the middle yet, but as an OLB, I don't think he can do it anymore, not to mention his constant injuries. Too many misses for a draft and develop team.


It is pretty early to be judging the 2016 draft. As for the 2015 draft, it is amazing what a difference one year can make. At the end of last season, GB looked like they had a very solid group of corners after the rookie seasons turned in by Rollins and Randall. Then those two imploded this year while being hurt the entire season. Can we hope for a Davante Adams like turnaround for one or both of them?
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