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Standings as of 10/14/15

Oldballcoach1 59-21
JohnWall 57-23
Thecrackerjack 50-20
Amped0808 44-26
EVC 10-10

Points

Oldballcoach1 349
JohnWall 345
Thecrackerjack 298
Amped0808 260
EVC 58

Mississippi Valley Standings after Week 8

1. La Crosse Logan 6-2 (5-1) X
2. Holmen 6-2 (5-1) X
3. Tomah 5-3 (4-2) X
4. Onalaska 4-4 (3-3)
5. West Salem 4-4 (3-3)
6. Aquinas 4-4 (2-4)
7. Sparta 2-6 (2-4) Z
8. La Crosse Central 0-8 (0-6) Z

X: Clinched Playoff Spot
Z: Eliminated from Postseason Contention

Week Nine Matchups

Friday, 10/16

West Salem at La Crosse Central
Sparta at Holmen
Onalaska at La Crosse Logan
Aquinas at Tomah

Games of Note

Columbus at Lodi
Chippewa Falls at Rice Lake
Madison Memorial at Verona
Mauston at Wautoma
East Troy at Brodhead/Juda
Evansville/Albany at Big Foot
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Week Nine Matchups

Friday, 10/16

[h]West Salem[/h] at La Crosse Central - 9
Sparta at [h]Holmen[/h] - 10
Onalaska at [h]La Crosse Logan[/h] - 7
Aquinas at [h]Tomah[/h] - 6

Games of Note

Columbus at [h]Lodi[/h] - 8
Chippewa Falls at [h]Rice Lake[/h] - 5
Madison Memorial at [h]Verona[/h] - 3
[h]Mauston [/h]at Wautoma - 2
East Troy at [h]Brodhead/Juda[/h] -1
[h]Evansville/Albany[/h] at Big Foot - 4
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Friday, 10/16

West Salem at La Crosse Central (8)
Sparta at Holmen (9)
Onalaska at La Crosse Logan (10)
Aquinas at Tomah (7)

Games of Note

Columbus at Lodi (4)
Chippewa Falls at Rice Lake (3)
Madison Memorial at Verona (1)
Mauston at Wautoma (5)
East Troy at Brodhead/Juda (2)
Evansville/Albany at Big Foot (6)
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Week Nine Matchups

Friday, 10/16

West Salem at La Crosse Central - 8
Sparta at Holmen - 10
Onalaska at La Crosse Logan - 9
Aquinas at Tomah - 7

Games of Note

Columbus at Lodi - 5
Chippewa Falls at Rice Lake -2
Madison Memorial at Verona - 1
Mauston at Wautoma - 4
East Troy at Brodhead/Juda - 3
Evansville/Albany at Big Foot - 6


Comments regarding the MVC teams

This has been a disappointing year for the MVC overall. Those that make the playoffs are likely going to be eliminated in level 1. Logan may win one game being in D3 - but I don't see them advancing like last year. Overall, the decline has been a steady one for the past few years. Some programs appear to be hurting in numbers. Some appear to be stuck in 1970 football - scheme wise. Right now, with the rise in the youth football programs the conference has seen - there doesn't appear to be the rise in football skill. Begs to question then - are the youth football programs preparing the kids to play at the next levels (middle school and then high school)?
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oldballcoach1 wrote:
Week Nine Matchups

Friday, 10/16

West Salem at La Crosse Central - 8
Sparta at Holmen - 10
Onalaska at La Crosse Logan - 9
Aquinas at Tomah - 7

Games of Note

Columbus at Lodi - 5
Chippewa Falls at Rice Lake -2
Madison Memorial at Verona - 1
Mauston at Wautoma - 4
East Troy at Brodhead/Juda - 3
Evansville/Albany at Big Foot - 6


Comments regarding the MVC teams

This has been a disappointing year for the MVC overall. Those that make the playoffs are likely going to be eliminated in level 1. Logan may win one game being in D3 - but I don't see them advancing like last year. Overall, the decline has been a steady one for the past few years. Some programs appear to be hurting in numbers. Some appear to be stuck in 1970 football - scheme wise. Right now, with the rise in the youth football programs the conference has seen - there doesn't appear to be the rise in football skill. Begs to question then - are the youth football programs preparing the kids to play at the next levels (middle school and then high school)?


I appreciate your comments, and agree with you. This has been going on (other than Logan run last year) for a while. Holmen offense won't work against a team with a good D-Line and LB's. Nobody in this conference has those, so they dominate locally and fool themselves into thinking they are a good team...but their #7 seeding last year with an 8-1 record tells you what other coaches know, and Superior blew them out to justify the seed was right. I expect a similar result this year.

Logan's drop to D3 helps a ton, but even if they win 1 game, that will be it. Rice Lake in their bracket.

Sounds like Onalaska may get in with a 3-4 record and losses to Mosinee and Aquinas and an OT victory over a hapless Central team. It won't be pretty.

West Salem is a team that could win a game, seems they are peaking at the right time, beating Logan easily.

All in all, agree with you, football around here is bad. Look at the Big Rivers and what Chi Hi did to Holmen and what the ECN team did to Logan. ECN is winless in the Big Rivers...and beat the MVC co-champ
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Looks like 1 game will decide who wins the Pick Em between Oldballcoach and JohnWall.

Mauston wins, John wins. Wautoma wins, Ballcoach wins
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Friday, 10/16

West Salem at La Crosse Central (10)
Sparta at Holmen (9)
Onalaska at La Crosse Logan (8)
Aquinas at Tomah (3)

Games of Note

Columbus at Lodi (4)
Chippewa Falls at Rice Lake (5)
Madison Memorial at Verona (6)
Mauston at Wautoma (7)
East Troy at Brodhead/Juda (2)
Evansville/Albany at Big Foot (1)
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oldballcoach1 wrote:
Wautoma wins in a shootout. I would like to say it was my extensive knowledge of their team that led to me picking them - but lets be honest - I had no clue on this game and a few weeks back, I drove through Wautoma, so that was the reason for the pick!!

Logan may win a game in the playoffs with their placement and Holmen at least got a better placement going south. Still don't see more than 1 win from anyone. Hopefully I will be surprised, but I just don't see it.


Our area teams all were fortunate to get placed south rather than north. Holmen will avoid Waunakee in the opener, and getting placed in the south away from Chi Hi, Superior, Menomonie, Menasha is a lucky break. To me, Holmen is likely going to be the 6 seed, possibly 5 and will get a Badger-Conf team like DeForest or Oregon....or possibly Watertown. All of those are average teams, but from good conferences. I would expect a loss. Tomah as the 8 will get Waunakee and it will be over quickly.

Onalaska, Logan and West Salem really dodged a bullet and the Hilltoppers avoid the 3 hour drive to Rice Lake. They are placed in a regional with 3 losing teams, Edgewood and Jefferson both 3-6, Onalaska 4-5. Hard to imagine a bad Onalaska team could avoid the 8 seed after a losing season at 4-5, but they just might. That said, with the MVC down as it is, I suspect Ona will still draw the 8 seed and get Monona Grove. However, since Yash has friends in the room from Logan and WS, they may help them avoid the 8 seed and get the 7. A terrible regional. It won't matter as Onalaska and WS will either play MG, Mount Horeb or Reedsburg (the 1-3 seeds) and go home. Logan should get the 4, and thus draw a team they can beat in round 1 before ending their season.

So I expect only Logan to advance to level 2 (Holmen maybe if they get seeding help), while everyone else goes out in round 1 and Logan joins them in a week.

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Holmen should have a huge sigh of relief that they avoided going north. They may have ended up as a 7 seed in Group A. DeForest is certainly no where near the caliber of the teams in Group A and this could equate to a Holmen win. But, Waunakee looms large after that. Tomah - nice to qualify for the playoffs - sucks to have to go to Waunakee.

Logan's Group C is the weakest in D3. They also avoid some match-ups they would lose by going to the south. They should beat Edgewood and the Reedsburg game will be a tight one. But not an impossible task for them like a Rice Lake would have been. West Salem has a decent match-up wth Mt. Horeb/Barneveld, but they will face some solid athletes.

Onalaska will struggle to compete with Reedsburg. Losing 4 straight - but still getting a #6 seed in this grouping tells you just how weak this group is.

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Wautoma wins in a shootout. I would like to say it was my extensive knowledge of their team that led to me picking them - but lets be honest - I had no clue on this game and a few weeks back, I drove through Wautoma, so that was the reason for the pick!!

Logan may win a game in the playoffs with their placement and Holmen at least got a better placement going south. Still don't see more than 1 win from anyone. Hopefully I will be surprised, but I just don't see it.
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oldballcoach1 wrote:
Holmen should have a huge sigh of relief that they avoided going north. They may have ended up as a 7 seed in Group A. DeForest is certainly no where near the caliber of the teams in Group A and this could equate to a Holmen win. But, Waunakee looms large after that. Tomah - nice to qualify for the playoffs - sucks to have to go to Waunakee.

Logan's Group C is the weakest in D3. They also avoid some match-ups they would lose by going to the south. They should beat Edgewood and the Reedsburg game will be a tight one. But not an impossible task for them like a Rice Lake would have been. West Salem has a decent match-up wth Mt. Horeb/Barneveld, but they will face some solid athletes.

Onalaska will struggle to compete with Reedsburg. Losing 4 straight - but still getting a #6 seed in this grouping tells you just how weak this group is.



Playoff Pick 'em, Ball Coach? I'll set the lines;

DeForest at Holmen (-3) - JohnWall takes DeForest 24-14
Edgewood at Logan (-14) - JohnWall takes Logan to win but not cover 45-35
West Salem at Mt. Horeb (-10) - JohnWall takes Horeb to cover 42-28
Onalaska at Reedsburg (-14) - JohnWall takes Reedsburg to cover 38-7
Tomah at Waunakee (-35) - JohnWall takes Waunakee 45-0....JV plays half the game

So I only have Logan advancing. They will lose to Reedsburg in level 2. Reedsburg ran over logan in an Aug scrimmage.
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I will give it a shot.

DeForest at Holmen (-3) - Holmen survives 21-14
Edgewood at Logan (-14) - Logan should win handily. 41-14
West Salem at Mt. Horeb (-10) - Mt. Horeb will win, but not cover. 27-21
Onalaska at Reedsburg (-14) - Reedsburg will win and cover. 46-28
Tomah at Waunakee (-35) - Yikes. The score operator will have sore fingers. Waunakee 58-13
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johnwall1 wrote:
oldballcoach1 wrote:
Holmen should have a huge sigh of relief that they avoided going north. They may have ended up as a 7 seed in Group A. DeForest is certainly no where near the caliber of the teams in Group A and this could equate to a Holmen win. But, Waunakee looms large after that. Tomah - nice to qualify for the playoffs - sucks to have to go to Waunakee.

Logan's Group C is the weakest in D3. They also avoid some match-ups they would lose by going to the south. They should beat Edgewood and the Reedsburg game will be a tight one. But not an impossible task for them like a Rice Lake would have been. West Salem has a decent match-up wth Mt. Horeb/Barneveld, but they will face some solid athletes.

Onalaska will struggle to compete with Reedsburg. Losing 4 straight - but still getting a #6 seed in this grouping tells you just how weak this group is.



Playoff Pick 'em, Ball Coach? I'll set the lines;

DeForest at Holmen (-3) - JohnWall takes DeForest 24-14
Edgewood at Logan (-14) - JohnWall takes Logan to win but not cover 45-35
West Salem at Mt. Horeb (-10) - JohnWall takes Horeb to cover 42-28
Onalaska at Reedsburg (-14) - JohnWall takes Reedsburg to cover 38-7
Tomah at Waunakee (-35) - JohnWall takes Waunakee 45-0....JV plays half the game

So I only have Logan advancing. They will lose to Reedsburg in level 2. Reedsburg ran over logan in an Aug scrimmage.


Well, I knew the MVC was bad, picked only Logan to advance, and that is how it went down. However, just how bad it was last night surprised even me.

DeForest beats Holmen by 42 points....JV was in the game for the 4th quarter. Holmen was very easy to figure out, it's just that the MVC other than Logan didn't have the size to match up with them up front. DeForest, a 3rd place team from the Badger more than matched up, it was a blowout on the field, and an even bigger mismatch in the coaches box. DeForest knew Holmen can't throw....Holmen QB had 1 completion and 3 INT's. That's as bad as I've ever seen or heard of.

West Salem, arguably the MVC's best team over the final month, got just crushed by another Badger team.

Onalaska had no business in the playoffs, and it showed, getting blown out by a middle of pack Badger team. Pound the Rock? Really? They don't have the athletes or toughness to do that.

Tomah didn't stand a chance against Waunakee, even though Kee's top 2 players are suspended for code violations.

How does the MVC regroup from this? What is the matter with large/medium size schools in the MVC? I expected lopsided losses, but this was awful
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How does the MVC regroup from this? What is the matter with large/medium size schools in the MVC? I expected lopsided losses, but this was awful

I am not sure what the answer is, but I have a couple of theories - and some may not agree or even like them - but after watching a lot of games (mainly football, basketball, and baseball) and a lot of players - a couple of things come to mind.

First, when comparing just athletic ability of the MVC to conferences like the Big Rivers or Badger (who throttled the MVC last night) there is a huge gap. Now, the Big Rivers has some schools with larger enrollments, so that goes into the consideration, but the skill players abilities in those conferences far exceeds the MVC teams.

Second, the physicality of the MVC is severely overmatched in games outside of the conference. Logan has developed a pretty solid weight program and Holmen is close - but the others appear to be behind the curve. There has to be a buy in by the players to the weight room - year around - and it has to be important to an entire school wide athletic program. It must become a part of the athletic culture of a school. The Badger schools are good at building this.

Third, scheme wise, teams need to move into modern times. It is about getting your athletes - and this is an issue in the MVC as I said - into positions to make plays in the open field. The days of expecting your offensive line to open up holes to run through is not happening. Spread the field - have your o-line hold up for a couple of seconds - and get the ball out of the QB's hand. Make it a 7 on 7 game. Use the few athletes that teams do have. West Salem is getting to this and they will continue to get better if they stay with it.

Fourth, I did mention this in a different post, but the youth programs have to do better at getting the kids ready for middle school football and ultimately high school football. Winning games as a 5th grade team is not what is important. Skill development should be #1. Get all of the kids into games - let them play some different positions - and get them to like playing the game. Teach the team concept and that they all are a part of a team and they are an important of the team. It can't be just about the one kid that is faster and gets the handoff every play because that kid will win the game for the team.

There are some other things, but I don't want to make this to long.
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From Travis' article

BADGER-NORTH DOMINATES MISSISSIPPI VALLEY

The Mississippi Valley Conference is another league that struggled, finishing 1-4 in Level 1. La Crosse Logan's 36-6 win over Madison Edgewood was the lone victory. The other four MVC teams all faced off against squads from the Badger-North, and things did not go well.

Waunakee beat Tomah, DeForest topped Holmen, Mount Horeb/Barneveld defeated West Salem, and Reedsburg was all over Onalaska. The combined score in those four games was 173-26. In the next round, Logan will host Reedsburg, as those two teams have scrimmaged against each other in the pre-season for several years.


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