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This is the dirty secret that the best franchises in the NFL understand:

The goal of every season is not the Super Bowl. It is the playoffs. If you're team is good enough to make the playoffs every season, then it is good enough to get hot once or twice and make a run to the Super Bowl. The NFL is so incredibly competitive, especially in the playoffs, that once a franchise develops that 'Super Bowl or Bust' mantra they are basically consigning themselves to a decade of mediocrity as they struggle to overcome the bad contracts and rash decisions that they made when they went all in.

The Packers are doing things the right way. The same way that New England and Baltimore have operated for the past decade. You keep your core players together, continually bring in young (and cheap) talent. Maybe foray into free agency once in awhile if someone becomes undervalued and can make a big impact on your team. And then sit back and visit the playoffs every year and hope you get hot once in awhile. Baltimore has gotten hot twice. New England, more than that. The Packers are in a position to be in the playoffs every season that Rodgers is healthy for the next 5-8 years. In that time, getting hot enough to win 1 more Super Bowl would count as an impressive run. Winning 2 more would be a new Golden Age for the Packers.

And fan that expects a Super Bowl birth or victory every year is just plain nuts and has unrealistic expectations.

Don't forget, McCarthy has put them in a position to compete for the Super Bowl the past 5 seasons. There is no rule that says that a different coach would: A- Get along with Rodgers as well as McCarthy, B- Have as effective of an offense as McCarthy, C- Be as well liked and respected by his players as McCarthy.
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paladium wrote:
This is the dirty secret that the best franchises in the NFL understand:

The goal of every season is not the Super Bowl. It is the playoffs. If you're team is good enough to make the playoffs every season, then it is good enough to get hot once or twice and make a run to the Super Bowl. The NFL is so incredibly competitive, especially in the playoffs, that once a franchise develops that 'Super Bowl or Bust' mantra they are basically consigning themselves to a decade of mediocrity as they struggle to overcome the bad contracts and rash decisions that they made when they went all in.

The Packers are doing things the right way. The same way that New England and Baltimore have operated for the past decade. You keep your core players together, continually bring in young (and cheap) talent. Maybe foray into free agency once in awhile if someone becomes undervalued and can make a big impact on your team. And then sit back and visit the playoffs every year and hope you get hot once in awhile. Baltimore has gotten hot twice. New England, more than that. The Packers are in a position to be in the playoffs every season that Rodgers is healthy for the next 5-8 years. In that time, getting hot enough to win 1 more Super Bowl would count as an impressive run. Winning 2 more would be a new Golden Age for the Packers.

And fan that expects a Super Bowl birth or victory every year is just plain nuts and has unrealistic expectations.

Don't forget, McCarthy has put them in a position to compete for the Super Bowl the past 5 seasons. There is no rule that says that a different coach would: A- Get along with Rodgers as well as McCarthy, B- Have as effective of an offense as McCarthy, C- Be as well liked and respected by his players as McCarthy.

This right here. All one needs to do is look at our neighbors to the west to see the pitfalls of going all in for one, maybe two good shots at a Super Bowl.
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db11
Well done, guys...although I'm not sure anyone can handle this much logic...[8d]
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macandcheese wrote:
Packers are consistently Good....Just need to keep plugging away. It makes for great entertainment. Just 2 weeks short of taking out the most miserable month of the year! Just be thankful you don't live in Minnesota.


Amen! Living in Wisconsin is quite the blessing and being a Packers fan is just icing on the cake. Now if we could not allow Minnesota radio to cross the border, that would be the trifecta!
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thegame21
mrmike527 wrote:
If you define a good QB by one that wins a lot of games then sure, all the good QBs win a lot of games.

Matt Ryan, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, and Tony Romo are all probably as good as Flacco, Luck and Wilson if you take W/L record out of it, and they get extremely varying returns. Roethlisberger and Romo were both 8-8 the two years leading into this one. Stafford went 11-21 the past two years. Eli Manning has been good enough to win two Super Bowls, had a fantastic year this year, and still had his team go 6-10. Peyton Manning is coach-proof. Brady has a great coach. For essentially every other QB in the league, it requires good coaching and good team-building to get them into the playoffs and contending.

And holy cow at Jon Gruden. Just take a step back and explain what it is that you like about Gruden. He won a Super Bowl, and even then it was with a team that he mostly inherited and proceeded to destroy. That is literally the only thing he has going for him. I get that he's on TV and he's extremely visible, but he is so clearly a bad coach that it is mind-blowing that people continue to insist on wanting him for their teams. That Bucs team made the playoffs 4 of the 5 years before he was hired in 2002, they made the playoffs 3 times between NOW and then (including 8 years with Gruden).

McCarthy is an excellent coach, he has shown he can get the team over the hump, and the team was extremely well-coached in the Seahawks game--standing toe to toe with a team that they were a full touchdown underdogs against. His decision making in-game is lacking, but that's true of virtually every Head Coach that calls the plays. There is one other coach-GM combo that gives the GM final personnel responsibility and has consistently had the same success, and that's the Newsome-Harbaugh combo in Baltimore. Don't underrate what McCarthy has--he can deliver consistent success, he can get his team over the hump, he works well with others, he is pretty innovative, he's one of the least conservative coaches in the league (despite the NFC championship game), and the players like him a lot. I'm not sure what more you're looking for in a coach other than just screaming "I WANT THE SUPER BOWL" at the TV and calling for someone to be fired every time it doesn't happen.


I couldn't agree with this one more. Look at what Matt Flynn has done outside of Green Bay. Tarvaris Jackson looks better than him. There is something to be said with how well he plays when he is running the Green Bay offense. Because its not just Flynn.

Seriously, Jon Gruden is a professional broadcaster. People need to LETTTT ITT GOOOO. Not to mention, apologies to Gruden, but the dude won off of Tony Dungy.

Idk, screaming for McCarthy to be fired is just extremely unfair and honestly if it did happen it would probably end with the Packers just being a worse team. Not because McCarthy is gone, but because what was eluded to earlier. Really. How many teams that were successful that fired their coaches because "they werent the one out of 32" have gone on to completely replicate their prior success? If anything it kills confidence and the culture. Let it be unless McCarthy seriously derails the train.
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thegame21
bhsblackhawks wrote:
hgerner13 wrote:
safetysqueezepleezzee11 wrote:
Some people certainly take themselves too serious.
To say the 'the fans DESERVE that next step to be taken' is just ridiculous and laughable.
WE as fans DESERVE nothing. It is entertainment - one either decides to watch or to not watch.
To say we DESERVE anything means someone is taking themselves waaaaaaaaaaay too serious.

If I never watched another Packer game, it wouldn't affect the Packers one bit and the same goes
for anyone else who is a fan.
I always get a chuckle when I read someone say the fans deserve(fill in the blank)...just laughable.



Any other fan base I would totally agree, but the fans are part owners of this team so it's a unique situation.

The Packers aren't really in a position different than any other team when it comes to fans leaving. The fact that fans are "owners" is pretty irrelevant in this situation considering the fact that the fans can't sell their shares. The whole stock thing is brilliant. It's basically just a fundraiser that no other team in the league is allowed to use. Granted, some owners throw a lot of personal money into the organizations, but many don't.

While we're on the topic, I don't totally understand why more teams don't utilize something like the stocks in order to raise money for stadiums and the like. All you would have to do is say, "Hey, if you guys want to chip in $100, we'll send you a little certificate saying you're an honored contributor to our franchise!" I realize most franchises aren't a part of the community as much as the Packers are (I think it's more a factor of the small town atmosphere of the city than the fact fans are owners), but I feel like teams could still raise a decent amount of money this way.


Are the Packer owners really even owners? Or is it just symbolic? Its just a common stock with no value. The stocks have no real return on investment and no dividends. It could be said Packer Ownership adds nothing to your portfolio other than being able to put a "Packer Owner" bumper sticker on your family minivan.

Given that Packer ownership is nothing more than a fancy fund raiser..I don't think it changes anything from other fans who say they deserve "blank". As an owner of a common stock with no value, you should know you really have no say but to symbolically vote for the board of directors.

Something I learned recently..if the Packers organization were over sold..proceeds of the sale do not touch the hand of a single packer owner. People spout "Well we elect the board of directors, that makes us business owners!" Well...the board of directors don't even make business decisions like most board of directors do. They just elect an executive committee that is the real "board of directors". In essence, its just a way to cut the symbolic-owners out of any type of real ownership.

A quick browse of their website, and you can tell Packer owners don't even have the luxury of seeing Quarterly reports like normal owners do to gauge how their baby is doing.

Lets be honest, Packer ownership is just a cool way of saying "The official expensive Packer fanclub".

That being said, I totally intend to own someday. It is a pretty cool thing, and its too bad more teams don't have the passionate fan base to do the same type of thing.
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db11
The thing about the Packers is that they're the only NFL team whose financial books are technically available to the public since they are not privately owned. I'm not sure that any Joe Schmo not being able to see quarterly reports is truly the case...
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dawgstyle
thegame21 wrote:
bhsblackhawks wrote:
hgerner13 wrote:
safetysqueezepleezzee11 wrote:
Some people certainly take themselves too serious.
To say the 'the fans DESERVE that next step to be taken' is just ridiculous and laughable.
WE as fans DESERVE nothing. It is entertainment - one either decides to watch or to not watch.
To say we DESERVE anything means someone is taking themselves waaaaaaaaaaay too serious.

If I never watched another Packer game, it wouldn't affect the Packers one bit and the same goes
for anyone else who is a fan.
I always get a chuckle when I read someone say the fans deserve(fill in the blank)...just laughable.



Any other fan base I would totally agree, but the fans are part owners of this team so it's a unique situation.

The Packers aren't really in a position different than any other team when it comes to fans leaving. The fact that fans are "owners" is pretty irrelevant in this situation considering the fact that the fans can't sell their shares. The whole stock thing is brilliant. It's basically just a fundraiser that no other team in the league is allowed to use. Granted, some owners throw a lot of personal money into the organizations, but many don't.

While we're on the topic, I don't totally understand why more teams don't utilize something like the stocks in order to raise money for stadiums and the like. All you would have to do is say, "Hey, if you guys want to chip in $100, we'll send you a little certificate saying you're an honored contributor to our franchise!" I realize most franchises aren't a part of the community as much as the Packers are (I think it's more a factor of the small town atmosphere of the city than the fact fans are owners), but I feel like teams could still raise a decent amount of money this way.


Are the Packer owners really even owners? Or is it just symbolic? Its just a common stock with no value. The stocks have no real return on investment and no dividends. It could be said Packer Ownership adds nothing to your portfolio other than being able to put a "Packer Owner" bumper sticker on your family minivan.

Given that Packer ownership is nothing more than a fancy fund raiser..I don't think it changes anything from other fans who say they deserve "blank". As an owner of a common stock with no value, you should know you really have no say but to symbolically vote for the board of directors.

Something I learned recently..if the Packers organization were over sold..proceeds of the sale do not touch the hand of a single packer owner. People spout "Well we elect the board of directors, that makes us business owners!" Well...the board of directors don't even make business decisions like most board of directors do. They just elect an executive committee that is the real "board of directors". In essence, its just a way to cut the symbolic-owners out of any type of real ownership.

A quick browse of their website, and you can tell Packer owners don't even have the luxury of seeing Quarterly reports like normal owners do to gauge how their baby is doing.

Lets be honest, Packer ownership is just a cool way of saying "The official expensive Packer fanclub".

That being said, I totally intend to own someday. It is a pretty cool thing, and its too bad more teams don't have the passionate fan base to do the same type of thing.


I think you are underestimating the fan base of many teams.
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paladium
Packers ownership is not a matter of a financial investment one expects to receive a return from. It is a purely emotional investment and an expression of ones ultimate fanship in the franchise. I think every 'owner' understands that they are basically donating X dollars to the Packers when they buy a share of stock.

I didn't buy a share of stock during the last offering actually thinking that my vote would make an impact. I didn't do it thinking I'd ever see a penny of that money come back to me. I did it because I love this franchise and being able to frame a piece of paper that says that I am an owner of the Packers means more to me than the $200 or whatever it was it cost me.

Please don't degrade what you do not understand.
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