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wiscopetty
The Mariota/Gordon argument is a circular one IMO. If you say that Mariota plays in a gimmick offense, Oregon fans could easily point to the fact that Wisconsin relies heavily on running the ball and their backs put up big numbers every year.

As far as I'm concerned, Mariota locked up the award last night. Maybe if Gordon runs for 700 yards, puts Urban Meyer's head on a stick, and burns Indy to the ground tonight, he'll have a chance.
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thebillwaltontrip
The fact that people are saying Mariota locked up the award after his performance last night just shows what a joke the award has become, all about media hype and popularity and biased towards quarterback.

Mariota didn't have ONE play last night that was Heisman-esque in the least...threw a bunch of short passes where his WR did all the work and then had 3 short TD runs, 2 of which came on zone reads where the defender with outside containment slipped because the field was wet.

If you would've put Tanner McEvoy in at QB for Oregon last night with the same plays called, he would've put up a similar statline and Oregon still would've rolled. That's how "special" Mariota looked. He showed nothing to change the opinion I've had about him over the past 2 seasons and that is that he is a 100% gimmick QB in a stat padder gimmick offense.
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wiscopetty
thebillwaltontrip wrote:
The fact that people are saying Mariota locked up the award after his performance last night just shows what a joke the award has become, all about media hype and popularity and biased towards quarterback.

Mariota didn't have ONE play last night that was Heisman-esque in the least...threw a bunch of short passes where his WR did all the work and then had 3 short TD runs, 2 of which came on zone reads where the defender with outside containment slipped because the field was wet.

If you would've put Tanner McEvoy in at QB for Oregon last night with the same plays called, he would've put up a similar statline and Oregon still would've rolled. That's how "special" Mariota looked.

Mariota didn't need a Heisman moment last night because he's made them all season.

Yeah, the award is biased towards quarterbacks. Yeah, it sucks that it basically takes a complete dearth of good quarterbacks nationally for anyone else to win the award. But that's what it's become. I don't have a problem with Mariota winning it. He's playing QB really well on a team that is still in contention.

Gordon will be invited to NYC and will likely finish as runner-up in the voting. No shame in that. It doesn't do anything to diminish his accomplishments this season.

As far as your McEvoy comment...I went back and checked the game log from last night's game. Mariota did have a lot of short passes, but he also connected on passes of 46 and 73 yards. I've seen enough of McEvoy this year to know he ain't making those throws.
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thebillwaltontrip
That 73 yard pass you speak of traveled about 15 yards through the air to a wide open receiver down the seam and he ran and zig zagged his way through Arizona's defense for the remainder of the yardage.
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nyybball
thebillwaltontrip wrote:
The fact that people are saying Mariota locked up the award after his performance last night just shows what a joke the award has become, all about media hype and popularity and biased towards quarterback.

Mariota didn't have ONE play last night that was Heisman-esque in the least...threw a bunch of short passes where his WR did all the work and then had 3 short TD runs, 2 of which came on zone reads where the defender with outside containment slipped because the field was wet.

If you would've put Tanner McEvoy in at QB for Oregon last night with the same plays called, he would've put up a similar statline and Oregon still would've rolled. That's how "special" Mariota looked. He showed nothing to change the opinion I've had about him over the past 2 seasons and that is that he is a 100% gimmick QB in a stat padder gimmick offense.

Which quarterbacks in college football would you take over Mariota? Just curious.
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thebillwaltontrip
Pretty much any QB who has respectable efficiency who doesn't play in a gimmicky trash spread system.
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thebillwaltontrip
Anybody watching the PAC 12 title game right now that truly thinks Mariota is the best player in the country is nuts. He is McEvoy with more athletic receivers around him.
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nyybball
thebillwaltontrip wrote:
Anybody watching the PAC 12 title game right now that truly thinks Mariota is the best player in the country is nuts. He is McEvoy with more athletic receivers around him.

You've got to be kidding..... 37 touchdown passes, 2 interceptions, 13 rushing touchdowns and a 68.6% completion percentage. He's definitely one of the top players in the country.
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wishoops1
There is no quarterback better than Mariota. And if you are basing it on NFL ready he and Jameis might be the only ones in this years class.
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