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dfnewburry
iwishiwasaballer wrote:
I know there will be quite a few people here who disagree with me but I'd like to see what Anderson does next year and especially the year after when he has a full team of players that fit his schemes that he wants before I deem him as a failure of a coach.


These players were more than adequate under the previous regime , the blame for this loss lies solely at the coaching staff who fail to take any responsibility .








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thebillwaltontrip
safetysqueezepleezzee11 wrote:
thebillwaltontrip wrote:
db11 wrote:


I was no Bielema fan, but at least there was an attitude about his teams...what is there with this bunch? Everything seems a little off, the culture is just weird...I can't really explain it other than to go back to my mantra of "mid-major shenanigans."

As far as going forward goes...I'd like to think next year would be make or break, but the harsh reality is next year is probably gonna have to trend more towards a decent-sized rebuild than anything with major expectations.


GA is, to be blunt, small potatoes.

Hate to say it, but as long as he's there, I see the tide tilting in regards to border supremacy between Wisconsin and Minnesota and I see Minnesota staying at the top of the Big 10 West division and Wisconsin slipping further and further back. These past couple years, Minnesota's program has been gaining momentum and moving forward while Wisconsin's has lost footing and is moving backwards.


Most of the Minn-Wisc games have been competitive over the years.
I guess I just don't see that 'tilting' happening in the Minn-Wisc game.
I give Minn credit for what they accomplished this year - 8-4.
Had they gone 10-2, I might agree with your 'tiltling' theory.
Anderson needs to re-evaluate all aspects of the game - offense, defense, special teams, punter, returners, etc etc etc
Some of the things he tried to have his team do, they simply didn't have the players who could do it.
The defensive backfield and pass coverage HAS to change tactics. They are and were pretty much horrible
against any decent team this year.


Wisconsin absolutely manhandled Minnesota during the last three years Bielema was there. In Anderson's first year, Minnesota played them pesky for a full four quarters and this year, imposed their will on them for the first half of the game. Minnesota HAS narrowed the gap significantly over these past two years and unless some sort of massive epiphany strikes down in Madison upon Anderson and his staff, the mud ducks will be taking home the ax next season.
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wiscopetty
thebillwaltontrip wrote:
safetysqueezepleezzee11 wrote:
thebillwaltontrip wrote:
db11 wrote:


I was no Bielema fan, but at least there was an attitude about his teams...what is there with this bunch? Everything seems a little off, the culture is just weird...I can't really explain it other than to go back to my mantra of "mid-major shenanigans."

As far as going forward goes...I'd like to think next year would be make or break, but the harsh reality is next year is probably gonna have to trend more towards a decent-sized rebuild than anything with major expectations.


GA is, to be blunt, small potatoes.

Hate to say it, but as long as he's there, I see the tide tilting in regards to border supremacy between Wisconsin and Minnesota and I see Minnesota staying at the top of the Big 10 West division and Wisconsin slipping further and further back. These past couple years, Minnesota's program has been gaining momentum and moving forward while Wisconsin's has lost footing and is moving backwards.


Most of the Minn-Wisc games have been competitive over the years.
I guess I just don't see that 'tilting' happening in the Minn-Wisc game.
I give Minn credit for what they accomplished this year - 8-4.
Had they gone 10-2, I might agree with your 'tiltling' theory.
Anderson needs to re-evaluate all aspects of the game - offense, defense, special teams, punter, returners, etc etc etc
Some of the things he tried to have his team do, they simply didn't have the players who could do it.
The defensive backfield and pass coverage HAS to change tactics. They are and were pretty much horrible
against any decent team this year.


Wisconsin absolutely manhandled Minnesota during the last three years Bielema was there. In Anderson's first year, Minnesota played them pesky for a full four quarters and this year, imposed their will on them for the first half of the game. Minnesota HAS narrowed the gap significantly over these past two years and unless some sort of massive epiphany strikes down in Madison upon Anderson and his staff, the mud ducks will be taking home the ax next season.

Wisconsin manhandled Minnesota because Tim Brewster was a disaster of a head coach who left Jerry Kill to deal with the residual effects of his regime for several years after he left. Minnesota is just now starting to dig themselves out of that hole. Kill is returning them to Mason-era levels of success, but I haven't seen enough from his teams yet to really declare a sea change in the rivalry.
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john42
dfnewburry wrote:
iwishiwasaballer wrote:
I know there will be quite a few people here who disagree with me but I'd like to see what Anderson does next year and especially the year after when he has a full team of players that fit his schemes that he wants before I deem him as a failure of a coach.


These players were more than adequate under the previous regime , the blame for this loss lies solely at the coaching staff who fail to take any responsibility .


You mean the way more talented team that the previous regime took to a 7-5 regular season record in their last season?

Gary Andersen: "I'll do better as a coach. I failed these kids today." Yup, sounds like he didn't take any responsibility to me.
"If I caught 756, I'd take a sharpie out of my pocket and draw on asterisk on it then hand it to Barry for free."

? Rubenonfire
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john42
dfnewburry wrote:
john42 wrote:
dfnewburry wrote:
iwishiwasaballer wrote:
I know there will be quite a few people here who disagree with me but I'd like to see what Anderson does next year and especially the year after when he has a full team of players that fit his schemes that he wants before I deem him as a failure of a coach.


These players were more than adequate under the previous regime , the blame for this loss lies solely at the coaching staff who fail to take any responsibility .


You mean the way more talented team that the previous regime took to a 7-5 regular season record in their last season?

Gary Andersen: "I'll do better as a coach. I failed these kids today." Yup, sounds like he didn't take any responsibility to me.


7-5 with only 1 loss of 7 points + which was losing by 7 to Ohio State in OT , as for the Gary Anderson regime it is no secret that he thinks Wisconsin needs to upgrade the talent which he supposedly has done in his 2 years yet where are those upgrades ?

No surprise to me that Wisconsin got manhandled but if you going to blame talent then that blame lies with the man in charge .


If GA lost 5 games this year and none of them were by more than 7 points people would be losing their shit. Also losing 5 games by that small amount proves the coaching staff couldn't get it done.

As far as recruiting goes GA has truly only recruited 1 class and you must be forgetting that this is Wisconsin. Name a coach that has ever been able to recruit studs that could start as true Freshman and have a positive impact. I'll save you the time, you can't. Recruiting has been better under GA than BB, but that's not saying much as BB classes typically sucked.

Class rankings under BB:
2013 - 38
2012- 65
2011-39
2010-46

People wonder why BB left? He knew there was absolutely no talent on the team. To blame GA for the lack of talent when he has had 1 true recruiting class just means you are uneducated about the situation. His one recruiting class was ranked 33 which is higher than any BB class of his final four years. It also took a major hit when Craig Evans, Chris Jones and Rohan Blackwood failed to qualify or it would have been even higher.
"If I caught 756, I'd take a sharpie out of my pocket and draw on asterisk on it then hand it to Barry for free."

? Rubenonfire
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john42
wiscopetty wrote:
thebillwaltontrip wrote:
safetysqueezepleezzee11 wrote:
thebillwaltontrip wrote:
db11 wrote:


I was no Bielema fan, but at least there was an attitude about his teams...what is there with this bunch? Everything seems a little off, the culture is just weird...I can't really explain it other than to go back to my mantra of "mid-major shenanigans."

As far as going forward goes...I'd like to think next year would be make or break, but the harsh reality is next year is probably gonna have to trend more towards a decent-sized rebuild than anything with major expectations.


GA is, to be blunt, small potatoes.

Hate to say it, but as long as he's there, I see the tide tilting in regards to border supremacy between Wisconsin and Minnesota and I see Minnesota staying at the top of the Big 10 West division and Wisconsin slipping further and further back. These past couple years, Minnesota's program has been gaining momentum and moving forward while Wisconsin's has lost footing and is moving backwards.


Most of the Minn-Wisc games have been competitive over the years.
I guess I just don't see that 'tilting' happening in the Minn-Wisc game.
I give Minn credit for what they accomplished this year - 8-4.
Had they gone 10-2, I might agree with your 'tiltling' theory.
Anderson needs to re-evaluate all aspects of the game - offense, defense, special teams, punter, returners, etc etc etc
Some of the things he tried to have his team do, they simply didn't have the players who could do it.
The defensive backfield and pass coverage HAS to change tactics. They are and were pretty much horrible
against any decent team this year.


Wisconsin absolutely manhandled Minnesota during the last three years Bielema was there. In Anderson's first year, Minnesota played them pesky for a full four quarters and this year, imposed their will on them for the first half of the game. Minnesota HAS narrowed the gap significantly over these past two years and unless some sort of massive epiphany strikes down in Madison upon Anderson and his staff, the mud ducks will be taking home the ax next season.

Wisconsin manhandled Minnesota because Tim Brewster was a disaster of a head coach who left Jerry Kill to deal with the residual effects of his regime for several years after he left. Minnesota is just now starting to dig themselves out of that hole. Kill is returning them to Mason-era levels of success, but I haven't seen enough from his teams yet to really declare a sea change in the rivalry.


This is exactly right. Imaginary high five!
"If I caught 756, I'd take a sharpie out of my pocket and draw on asterisk on it then hand it to Barry for free."

? Rubenonfire
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iwishiwasaballer
intheknow wrote:
Outside of Melvin Gordon, who as a skill player could have sarted on that Ohio State team. The overall team speed was overwhelming to the Wisconsin players.

It was very similar to a statement made during the Duke / Wisconsin basketball game the other night; They have 7 or 8 Mcdonalds All Americans, Wisconsin has 7 or 8 State All stars..lol

It isnt a slam on the Badger players, they played who they had to and competed to the best of their ability this season.

It just shows what the level of competion is when you play the elite teams in the country.

Great season Badgers........


This reminded me of a tweet I saw prior to the game

Tom VanHaaren @TomVH ? Dec 6

B1G Championship Two Deep:

OSU:
5-star: 2
4-star: 27
3-star: 12

WIS:
5-star: 0
4-star: 5
3-star: 28
2017 WSN HOF Inductee
feel free to follow me
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alandoamazing
IMO it has very little to do with talent.

Andersen (and Ludwig and Aranda) were miserably outcoached by the OSU staff. Say what you want about Bielema, but he had the team ready to play in big games. No, they didn't win many, but they also didn't get embarrassed. If Indiana and Minnesota and PSU, etc. can stay with OSU then the only reason Wisconsin couldn't is coaching and preparation.

MBC basically hit the nail on the head with his post. Ludwig is fucking terrible. Melvin was a complete crutch to developing any kind of passing game. Look, Stave isn't the greatest QB in the world, but he can usually hit open receivers. The coaches just left him out to dry this whole year. Which is rather unsurprising because Andersen has been an asshole to Stave since he got here and basically tried to run him out of the program. We get it, you want a dual threat QB, but man up and put your team in a position to win with what's in front of you. They needed to work on their passing game all year, instead they used it only when they had to and just ran all over cupcakes.

Which brings me to another point. DBs and WRs. Over the course of the year, the coaches couldn't develop this supposedly very good class of freshman WRs into players even worth seeing the field? Look, I appreciate Erickson, but if that is seriously the best we can do at the position someone needs to be fired. And our DBs....dear God. Turn the fuck around and find the ball. It's like they coach these kids specifically not to do that, I haven't seen it once. The DBs have talent, the coaching and development has been awful.

Completely agree that next year is a make or break year for Andersen. He has not been good this far. Mediocre at best. Absolutely love that he's sitting there whining about assistant salaries and admissions standards the week before this game. Why the fuck would we pay your assistants more when they can't even properly prepare for a big game. What a fucking embarrassment.
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alandoamazing
whfan202 wrote:
Here's why I'm pissed off. I'm not mad we lost. I didn't even expect to win because Cardale Jones, even as a 3rd stringer has studs all around him. If Barrett, with no starting experience can excel, anybody can.

I am mad that our passing game NEVER developed. People were all optimistic about our frosh receivers or the guys who have been in the program who had to wait their turn would show off and play like starters. At this point, they play like crap, and quite frankly, they must be crap if they haven't developed. I've never seen a worse passing offense. It's not hard to beat us when we come out of a terrible division and all we do is run the football.

How we won 10 games with no passing offense is beyond me.



They run fly routes and 5 and 10 yard hitches. That's it. It's unbelievable. And, no, that has nothing to do with Stave. The coaching is beyond awful. Ludwig needs to go.
A pessimist is always alone. An optimist is always just two people away from a threesome.
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dfnewburry
john42 wrote:
dfnewburry wrote:
john42 wrote:
dfnewburry wrote:
iwishiwasaballer wrote:
I know there will be quite a few people here who disagree with me but I'd like to see what Anderson does next year and especially the year after when he has a full team of players that fit his schemes that he wants before I deem him as a failure of a coach.


These players were more than adequate under the previous regime , the blame for this loss lies solely at the coaching staff who fail to take any responsibility .


You mean the way more talented team that the previous regime took to a 7-5 regular season record in their last season?

Gary Andersen: "I'll do better as a coach. I failed these kids today." Yup, sounds like he didn't take any responsibility to me.


7-5 with only 1 loss of 7 points + which was losing by 7 to Ohio State in OT , as for the Gary Anderson regime it is no secret that he thinks Wisconsin needs to upgrade the talent which he supposedly has done in his 2 years yet where are those upgrades ?

No surprise to me that Wisconsin got manhandled but if you going to blame talent then that blame lies with the man in charge .


If GA lost 5 games this year and none of them were by more than 7 points people would be losing their ******. Also losing 5 games by that small amount proves the coaching staff couldn't get it done.

As far as recruiting goes GA has truly only recruited 1 class and you must be forgetting that this is Wisconsin. Name a coach that has ever been able to recruit studs that could start as true Freshman and have a positive impact. I'll save you the time, you can't. Recruiting has been better under GA than BB, but that's not saying much as BB classes typically sucked.

Class rankings under BB:
2013 - 38
2012- 65
2011-39
2010-46

People wonder why BB left? He knew there was absolutely no talent on the team. To blame GA for the lack of talent when he has had 1 true recruiting class just means you are uneducated about the situation. His one recruiting class was ranked 33 which is higher than any BB class of his final four years. It also took a major hit when Craig Evans, Chris Jones and Rohan Blackwood failed to qualify or it would have been even higher.


I don't blame GA for the supposed lack of talent on the roster , I blame those like you who want to blame BB for the supposed lack of talent on the team .

There is no lack of talent of this team only lack of proper use of the talent .

Ohio State should have whipped Wisconsin with the " program " that have , but why does BB need to get blame for something he had nothing to do with ?









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dfnewburry
john42 wrote:
dfnewburry wrote:
iwishiwasaballer wrote:
I know there will be quite a few people here who disagree with me but I'd like to see what Anderson does next year and especially the year after when he has a full team of players that fit his schemes that he wants before I deem him as a failure of a coach.


These players were more than adequate under the previous regime , the blame for this loss lies solely at the coaching staff who fail to take any responsibility .


You mean the way more talented team that the previous regime took to a 7-5 regular season record in their last season?

Gary Andersen: "I'll do better as a coach. I failed these kids today." Yup, sounds like he didn't take any responsibility to me.


7-5 with only 1 loss of 7 points + which was losing by 7 to Ohio State in OT , as for the Gary Anderson regime it is no secret that he thinks Wisconsin needs to upgrade the talent which he supposedly has done in his 2 years yet where are those upgrades ?

No surprise to me that Wisconsin got manhandled but if you going to blame talent then that blame lies with the man in charge .








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thecrackerjack
dfnewburry wrote:
john42 wrote:
dfnewburry wrote:
john42 wrote:
dfnewburry wrote:
iwishiwasaballer wrote:
I know there will be quite a few people here who disagree with me but I'd like to see what Anderson does next year and especially the year after when he has a full team of players that fit his schemes that he wants before I deem him as a failure of a coach.


These players were more than adequate under the previous regime , the blame for this loss lies solely at the coaching staff who fail to take any responsibility .


You mean the way more talented team that the previous regime took to a 7-5 regular season record in their last season?

Gary Andersen: "I'll do better as a coach. I failed these kids today." Yup, sounds like he didn't take any responsibility to me.


7-5 with only 1 loss of 7 points + which was losing by 7 to Ohio State in OT , as for the Gary Anderson regime it is no secret that he thinks Wisconsin needs to upgrade the talent which he supposedly has done in his 2 years yet where are those upgrades ?

No surprise to me that Wisconsin got manhandled but if you going to blame talent then that blame lies with the man in charge .


If GA lost 5 games this year and none of them were by more than 7 points people would be losing their ******. Also losing 5 games by that small amount proves the coaching staff couldn't get it done.

As far as recruiting goes GA has truly only recruited 1 class and you must be forgetting that this is Wisconsin. Name a coach that has ever been able to recruit studs that could start as true Freshman and have a positive impact. I'll save you the time, you can't. Recruiting has been better under GA than BB, but that's not saying much as BB classes typically sucked.

Class rankings under BB:
2013 - 38
2012- 65
2011-39
2010-46

People wonder why BB left? He knew there was absolutely no talent on the team. To blame GA for the lack of talent when he has had 1 true recruiting class just means you are uneducated about the situation. His one recruiting class was ranked 33 which is higher than any BB class of his final four years. It also took a major hit when Craig Evans, Chris Jones and Rohan Blackwood failed to qualify or it would have been even higher.


I don't blame GA for the supposed lack of talent on the roster , I blame those like you who want to blame BB for the supposed lack of talent on the team .

There is no lack of talent of this team only lack of proper use of the talent .

Ohio State should have whipped Wisconsin with the " program " that have , but why does BB need to get blame for something he had nothing to do with ?



This is a pretty simple concept... There is a lack of depth and quality at the WR position, depth at OL, DL, quality at the QB position, and a large number of freshman and sophomores contributors on this team. Do you disagree with that assessment?

If the cupboard wasn't bare, you'd have juniors and seniors filling those spots and not a lack of depth at so many positions. Who recruited the upperclassmen? That would be Bielema.

I think Bielema is a good coach, but he had plenty of growing pains & caught he a few breaks along the way.
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john42
dfnewburry wrote:
john42 wrote:
dfnewburry wrote:
john42 wrote:
dfnewburry wrote:
iwishiwasaballer wrote:
I know there will be quite a few people here who disagree with me but I'd like to see what Anderson does next year and especially the year after when he has a full team of players that fit his schemes that he wants before I deem him as a failure of a coach.


These players were more than adequate under the previous regime , the blame for this loss lies solely at the coaching staff who fail to take any responsibility .


You mean the way more talented team that the previous regime took to a 7-5 regular season record in their last season?

Gary Andersen: "I'll do better as a coach. I failed these kids today." Yup, sounds like he didn't take any responsibility to me.


7-5 with only 1 loss of 7 points + which was losing by 7 to Ohio State in OT , as for the Gary Anderson regime it is no secret that he thinks Wisconsin needs to upgrade the talent which he supposedly has done in his 2 years yet where are those upgrades ?

No surprise to me that Wisconsin got manhandled but if you going to blame talent then that blame lies with the man in charge .


If GA lost 5 games this year and none of them were by more than 7 points people would be losing their ******. Also losing 5 games by that small amount proves the coaching staff couldn't get it done.

As far as recruiting goes GA has truly only recruited 1 class and you must be forgetting that this is Wisconsin. Name a coach that has ever been able to recruit studs that could start as true Freshman and have a positive impact. I'll save you the time, you can't. Recruiting has been better under GA than BB, but that's not saying much as BB classes typically sucked.

Class rankings under BB:
2013 - 38
2012- 65
2011-39
2010-46

People wonder why BB left? He knew there was absolutely no talent on the team. To blame GA for the lack of talent when he has had 1 true recruiting class just means you are uneducated about the situation. His one recruiting class was ranked 33 which is higher than any BB class of his final four years. It also took a major hit when Craig Evans, Chris Jones and Rohan Blackwood failed to qualify or it would have been even higher.


I don't blame GA for the supposed lack of talent on the roster , I blame those like you who want to blame BB for the supposed lack of talent on the team .

There is no lack of talent of this team only lack of proper use of the talent .

Ohio State should have whipped Wisconsin with the " program " that have , but why does BB need to get blame for something he had nothing to do with ?




You are hopeless.
"If I caught 756, I'd take a sharpie out of my pocket and draw on asterisk on it then hand it to Barry for free."

? Rubenonfire
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hgerner13
I wonder what we could set the over/under at for number of plays it takes before someone posts a comment saying "Ludwig had a month to prepare and these are the plays he calls"

I'll set it at 10
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