yzerman1
Everytime I see Sonny Gray and Jose Fernandez tearing it up it makes me think back to the 2011 draft when the Brewers had two picks in the top 15 and didn't draft either of these two guys and instead took college pitchers Taylor Jungmann and Jed Bradley who have yet to advance past Double AA. A first round pick has about a 40% chance to have at least a three year major league career, I'm sure it's much lower for anyone the Brewers pick. The 2011 draft is shaping up to be quite strong, lots of impact palyers across the board except in Milwaukee. That being said here are a couple of Top 20 draft boards heading into the draft:


Baseball America

1. Anthony Rendon
2. Dylan Bundy
3. Gerritt Cole
4. Danny Hultzen
5. Trevor Bauer
6. Bubba Starling
7. Francisco Lindor
8. Taylor Jungmann
9. Archie Bradley
10. Taylor Guerrieri
11. George Springer
12. Sonny Gray
13. Matt Barnes
14. Jed Bradley
15. Josh Bell
16. Daniel Norris
17. Blake Swihart
18. Javier Baez
19. Alex Meyer
20. Jose Fernandez

Keith Law

1. Gerritt Cole
2. Anthony Rendon
3. Bubba Starling
4. Dylan Bundy
5. Archie Bradley
6. Trevor Bauer
7. Danny Hultzen
8. Taylor Jungmann
9. Alex Meyer
10. Matt Barnes
11. Taylor Guerrieri
12. Sonny Gray
13. Francisco Lindor
14. Mike Mahtook
15. Josh Bell
16. George Springer
17. Jed Bradley
18. Dillion Howard
19. Blake Swihart
20. Corey Spangenberg
21. Javier Baez
26. Jose Fernandez

The actual Draft went:

1. Gerritt Cole Pirates
2. Danny Hultzen Mariners
3. Trevor Bauer Diamondbacks
4. Dylan Bundy Orioles
5. Bubba Starling Royals
6. Anthony Rendon Nationals
7. Archie Bradley Diamondbacks
8. Francisco Lindor Indians
9. Javier Baez Cubs
10. Corey Spangenberg Padres
11. George Springer Astros
12. Taylor Jungmann Brewers
13. Brandon Nimmo Mets
14. Jose Fernandez Marlins
15. Jed Bradley Brewers

Jungmann was the safe pick for the Brewers to pick. However the Cubs went out and got Baez way earlier than expected and the Marlins did the same with Fernandez. It is all about evaluating talent, something the Brewers have not been very good at doing under Bruce Seid. Under Bruce Seid the Brewers drafts have been horrendous. Just imagine either Gray or Fernandez on the Brewers right now, it would be lights out if they could have actually developed either player. The last Brewer first round pick to actually make the major leagues was in 2008 and that was with other teams, Brett Lawrie and Jake Odorizzi. The last actual player the Brewers drafted in the first round who made the team was Jeremy Jeffress in 2006. Maybe they should do what they did last year and sign a free agent and just forfeit the pick since they haven't had any success in using it.
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In hindsight, you don't know if drafting Gray or Hernandez would have beared the results that they're seeing in the MLB right now. Hernandez was a player fresh out of HS and Gray was awful young too. Even if they had drafted them, who's to say they would have crashed and burned in the minors with the Brewers development being shaky.
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trickplayswingames
yzerman1 wrote:
Everytime I see Sonny Gray and Jose Fernandez tearing it up it makes me think back to the 2011 draft when the Brewers had two picks in the top 15 and didn't draft either of these two guys and instead took college pitchers Taylor Jungmann and Jed Bradley who have yet to advance past Double AA. A first round pick has about a 40% chance to have at least a three year major league career, I'm sure it's much lower for anyone the Brewers pick. The 2011 draft is shaping up to be quite strong, lots of impact palyers across the board except in Milwaukee. That being said here are a couple of Top 20 draft boards heading into the draft:


Baseball America

1. Anthony Rendon
2. Dylan Bundy
3. Gerritt Cole
4. Danny Hultzen
5. Trevor Bauer
6. Bubba Starling
7. Francisco Lindor
8. Taylor Jungmann
9. Archie Bradley
10. Taylor Guerrieri
11. George Springer
12. Sonny Gray
13. Matt Barnes
14. Jed Bradley
15. Josh Bell
16. Daniel Norris
17. Blake Swihart
18. Javier Baez
19. Alex Meyer
20. Jose Fernandez

Keith Law

1. Gerritt Cole
2. Anthony Rendon
3. Bubba Starling
4. Dylan Bundy
5. Archie Bradley
6. Trevor Bauer
7. Danny Hultzen
8. Taylor Jungmann
9. Alex Meyer
10. Matt Barnes
11. Taylor Guerrieri
12. Sonny Gray
13. Francisco Lindor
14. Mike Mahtook
15. Josh Bell
16. George Springer
17. Jed Bradley
18. Dillion Howard
19. Blake Swihart
20. Corey Spangenberg
21. Javier Baez
26. Jose Fernandez

The actual Draft went:

1. Gerritt Cole Pirates
2. Danny Hultzen Mariners
3. Trevor Bauer Diamondbacks
4. Dylan Bundy Orioles
5. Bubba Starling Royals
6. Anthony Rendon Nationals
7. Archie Bradley Diamondbacks
8. Francisco Lindor Indians
9. Javier Baez Cubs
10. Corey Spangenberg Padres
11. George Springer Astros
12. Taylor Jungmann Brewers
13. Brandon Nimmo Mets
14. Jose Fernandez Marlins
15. Jed Bradley Brewers

Jungmann was the safe pick for the Brewers to pick. However the Cubs went out and got Baez way earlier than expected and the Marlins did the same with Fernandez. It is all about evaluating talent, something the Brewers have not been very good at doing under Bruce Seid. Under Bruce Seid the Brewers drafts have been horrendous. Just imagine either Gray or Fernandez on the Brewers right now, it would be lights out if they could have actually developed either player. The last Brewer first round pick to actually make the major leagues was in 2008 and that was with other teams, Brett Lawrie and Jake Odorizzi. The last actual player the Brewers drafted in the first round who made the team was Jeremy Jeffress in 2006. Maybe they should do what they did last year and sign a free agent and just forfeit the pick since they haven't had any success in using it.

That's the big thing I look at. I speculate all the time on this draft for the Brewers. JoFer, Gray, or Matt Barnes would not have been bad picks in that spot. But Jungmann was one of the best college pitchers in the draft, Bradley was a solid lefty, something Brewers didn't and still don't have. I just don't think they would have been able to develop a pitcher no matter who they took there. So it's best off that they took the most refined and safest picks in those spots, as their floor was higher, but their ceiling being much, much lower.
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Sonny Gray was a college pitcher from Vanderbilt. Jackie Bradley Jr was a college player from South Carolina who was ranked around 30th in that draft. Jungmann was the obvious choice for the Brewers to take with their first pick. The Cubs made a ballsy pick and got Baez who looks like he is going to be a beast for years to come. The thing about picking Bradley over Gray was that both Baseball America and Keith Law had Gray ranked ahead of Bradley. The 2011 draft was one that could have really changed the direction of the Brewers and whole division for that matter and they whiffed on both picks. So frustrating.
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In a 2014 draft note, Jeren Kendall from Holmen High School is ranked #82 by MLB for this years draft. He is committed to play college ball at Vanderbilt. A Wisconsin high school player hasn't been selected in the top 100 picks since the Twins took Scott Servais in the second round of the 1985 Draft. This is awesome for him. Here is what MLB says about him:

Kendall's best tool is his plus-plus speed. It serves him well on the bases and in center field, where he has a better arm than most at the position.

The Vanderbilt recruit has a short left-handed stroke that allows him to make contact, though scouts would like to see him use his lower half more in his swing. He won't hit for a lot of power but does have more than might be expected from someone with his small frame. He'd be better served, however, by hitting more balls on the ground to take advantage of his wheels.

Scouting Grades: Hit: 45 | Power: 30 | Run: 70 | Arm: 50 | Field: 60 | Overall: 45
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trickplayswingames
yzerman1 wrote:
Sonny Gray was a college pitcher from Vanderbilt. Jackie Bradley Jr was a college player from South Carolina who was ranked around 30th in that draft. Jungmann was the obvious choice for the Brewers to take with their first pick. The Cubs made a ballsy pick and got Baez who looks like he is going to be a beast for years to come. The thing about picking Bradley over Gray was that both Baseball America and Keith Law had Gray ranked ahead of Bradley. The 2011 draft was one that could have really changed the direction of the Brewers and whole division for that matter and they whiffed on both picks. So frustrating.

I was talking about Jed Bradley. Not sure why I had the Jr.
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Honestly, the Brewers (as a smaller franchise with limited resources) absolutely HAVE to nail the draft. If they don't, then ownership (yes, I am calling you out MA) and management (Yeah, Melvin, you too) had to implement changes and spend the money to get top tier scouting.

Honestly, a team like the Brewers should be spending 5 million a year on international scouting.. Try to find those gems in the rough, because if you can find even one Puig ever 3 years it'll will pay off in with the arbitration structure of MLB. The Brewers are the type of franchise that absolutely has to 'hit' on international signings and draft picks.. Spend the money up front on the scouting and research and then reap the rewards with multiple years of team friendly contracts down the road.

Seid, in my opinion, has to go. As do a number of Brewers minor league coaches. If they cannot develop the talent the Brewers draft, say goodbye to them and spend more money on better coaches. It will pay off in increased profits at the MLB level in a couple of years.
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paladium wrote:
Honestly, the Brewers (as a smaller franchise with limited resources) absolutely HAVE to nail the draft. If they don't, then ownership (yes, I am calling you out MA) and management (Yeah, Melvin, you too) had to implement changes and spend the money to get top tier scouting.

Honestly, a team like the Brewers should be spending 5 million a year on international scouting.. Try to find those gems in the rough, because if you can find even one Puig ever 3 years it'll will pay off in with the arbitration structure of MLB. The Brewers are the type of franchise that absolutely has to 'hit' on international signings and draft picks.. Spend the money up front on the scouting and research and then reap the rewards with multiple years of team friendly contracts down the road.

Seid, in my opinion, has to go. As do a number of Brewers minor league coaches. If they cannot develop the talent the Brewers draft, say goodbye to them and spend more money on better coaches. It will pay off in increased profits at the MLB level in a couple of years.



Little off topic, but there really should be an International Draft, or combine it with the Amateur Draft. Imagine Tanaka on the Astros, or Abreu on the Astros.
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wlhssuperjake08 wrote:
paladium wrote:
Honestly, the Brewers (as a smaller franchise with limited resources) absolutely HAVE to nail the draft. If they don't, then ownership (yes, I am calling you out MA) and management (Yeah, Melvin, you too) had to implement changes and spend the money to get top tier scouting.

Honestly, a team like the Brewers should be spending 5 million a year on international scouting.. Try to find those gems in the rough, because if you can find even one Puig ever 3 years it'll will pay off in with the arbitration structure of MLB. The Brewers are the type of franchise that absolutely has to 'hit' on international signings and draft picks.. Spend the money up front on the scouting and research and then reap the rewards with multiple years of team friendly contracts down the road.

Seid, in my opinion, has to go. As do a number of Brewers minor league coaches. If they cannot develop the talent the Brewers draft, say goodbye to them and spend more money on better coaches. It will pay off in increased profits at the MLB level in a couple of years.

Little off topic, but there really should be an International Draft, or combine it with the Amateur Draft. Imagine Tanaka on the Astros, or Abreu on the Astros.

Disagree.... Get some of the owners who sit on their revenue sharing money to open up the pockets and invest some money in International Scouting and Development.
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formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
wlhssuperjake08 wrote:
paladium wrote:
Honestly, the Brewers (as a smaller franchise with limited resources) absolutely HAVE to nail the draft. If they don't, then ownership (yes, I am calling you out MA) and management (Yeah, Melvin, you too) had to implement changes and spend the money to get top tier scouting.

Honestly, a team like the Brewers should be spending 5 million a year on international scouting.. Try to find those gems in the rough, because if you can find even one Puig ever 3 years it'll will pay off in with the arbitration structure of MLB. The Brewers are the type of franchise that absolutely has to 'hit' on international signings and draft picks.. Spend the money up front on the scouting and research and then reap the rewards with multiple years of team friendly contracts down the road.

Seid, in my opinion, has to go. As do a number of Brewers minor league coaches. If they cannot develop the talent the Brewers draft, say goodbye to them and spend more money on better coaches. It will pay off in increased profits at the MLB level in a couple of years.

Little off topic, but there really should be an International Draft, or combine it with the Amateur Draft. Imagine Tanaka on the Astros, or Abreu on the Astros.

Disagree.... Get some of the owners who sit on their revenue sharing money to open up the pockets and invest some money in International Scouting and Development.

Agreed. The only way I would support an international draft is if they went records best to worst. The international signing is perfect the way it is. The only suggestion I would make as a change would to add a compensation round in the June draft for those who don't sign international guys (over a certain price). The international market is great, especially the Latin American market. Taking a gamble on these 16 year olds, grooming them up. However, I'm not a huge fan on the cap on the Japanese posting market, it will make teams much less willing to post a guy. I was in absolute shock when Tanaka got posted, but I guess 20 million is 20 million.
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