mickjagger
Wisconsin (6-3, 4-2) at  #20 Penn St (6-3, 3-3)

Saturday, November 10, 2018

Beaver Stadium, University Park, PA

Kickoff:  11:00 am CDT

Television:  ABC-TV

Spread:  Penn St favored by 8 points
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elsmith4
Don't really know what to expect in Coan and out of this game.  

JT/Deal/Grosh could run wild and we could mix in a few RPO/Roll outs for Coan and have success with it considering how porous PSUs defense is.  We could also lay an absolute egg and get embarrassed again like we did at NW.  
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db11
Ball control will be key if Bucky wants any shot at victory. Otherwise McSorley and Co. will eat this defense alive.
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db11
In a hit the Badgers simply could not afford to take, NT Olive Sagapolu is out for the year with an arm injury suffered against Northwestern.

Alex Hornibrook remains questionable for Saturday.
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elsmith4
A question for discussion: Who gives UW a better chance at winning, on the road, AH or Jack Coan?  

It's really hard to tell right now as Coan was 21-30 passing and showed he could make some throws that AH can't make, but he also didn't wow anyone.  Also fumbled twice.  

However, I feel that if PC is bold enough to call some read-options ala Bart Houston that we could rush for more yards than we are expected to.  The key is converting 3rd downs.
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mickjagger
elsmith4 wrote:
A question for discussion: Who gives UW a better chance at winning, on the road, AH or Jack Coan?  

It's really hard to tell right now as Coan was 21-30 passing and showed he could make some throws that AH can't make, but he also didn't wow anyone.  Also fumbled twice.  

However, I feel that if PC is bold enough to call some read-options ala Bart Houston that we could rush for more yards than we are expected to.  The key is converting 3rd downs.
This is the first time, elsmith, that I'm going to take you to task on a totally ridiculous comment re:  Hornibrook.    I've disagreed with you in the past re: AH, but his time you're over the edge.  There isn't a throw Jack Coan can make, that Hornibrook can't.  That is 100% fabrication on your part.  You tell me which throws Coan makes that AH can't.  Hornibrook has decision-making challenges and his lack of athleticism hinders him in the pocket.  But I can assure you, he can pretty much make all the throws.  Jack Coan cannot ... which is part of the reason Coan is the back-up QB. 

Keep in mind,  AH won the college QB completion at the Manning QB Academy this past summer.  A camp & competition  which included some pretty big-name college QB's ... 

Perhaps you need to watch video of AH's performances vs BYU and Miami in 2017 , and the 4th qtr vs Iowa in 2018,  just for starters, to jolt your memory as to what AH is capable of.

Anxiously awaiting waiting your reply ...

BTW, elsmith, here's a repost of a post from you, dated 11/26/17, before you completely lost your perspective on the Badger QB situation: 
elsmith4 wrote:
Graham Mertz led his team to a state championship yesterday.  Here is his statline: 

24-30 for 462 yards and 4 td.  Also ran had a scramble for 15 yards with 49 secondsn left for the game-winning td.  

Future for qb looks good at UW with Hornbrook still having 1-2 more years and then a experienced Coan should take over before Mertz settles in.  
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oldballcoach1
elsmith4 wrote:
A question for discussion: Who gives UW a better chance at winning, on the road, AH or Jack Coan?  

It's really hard to tell right now as Coan was 21-30 passing and showed he could make some throws that AH can't make, but he also didn't wow anyone.  Also fumbled twice.  

However, I feel that if PC is bold enough to call some read-options ala Bart Houston that we could rush for more yards than we are expected to.  The key is converting 3rd downs.


I would love to see Coan use his legs to help move the ball.  I have felt since Horni has taken over as QB that the non-threat of him ever being able to scramble on some of those 3rd downs has really hurt this team.  There have been so many 3rd and 4 or 5's when the chance is there for a Horni to pick up the yards, but he is just not capable of doing it.  Coan should be.  I worry about McSorley running wild today and hitting some big plays.  I could see like a 31-10 loss or something like that.  And things won't get easier headed into Purdue next week.  A trip to the Pinstripe Bowl or something like that seems the fate of this team.  
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elsmith4
Mick, I was referring to the numerous hitch routes near the sidelines that Coan was able to make against NW.  They were consistent 10-15 yard gains.  Sure, Horni can make those throws, but he often floats them which ends up in interceptions (Iowa game last year is a example) and he takes longer than most QBs to get that throw out.  There's a reason PC only calls pass plays out of shotgun with him at QB.

Maybe I should have been more descriptive, sorry.  

The reason Coan was able to make those throws is because he could drop back quicker and has a quicker release..

Anyways, it won't matter who's at QB when PC calls a game the way he does this year and the vaunted OL plays undisciplined, inexcusable football.   Coan or Horni, doesn't matter.   

Lastly, how can you blame me for that post on the Horni situation?  I think Horni fooled everyone by how he performed in the bowl game against what is now a bad Miami team.  

Tough year for the Badgers.
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nyybball
The entire offensive staff should be embarrassed with the way they have performed this season.   They are down 12, 3:57 left, running the football....Seriously, are they just playing not to get blown out.  This is pathetic, three passes attempted in the first half today...This is D1 college football, not D7 WIAA football.
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spintothetop
I have never liked AH and Coan isn't any better.  I have a hard time believing that Graham Mertz isn't starting week 1 next year.  Coan is wildly inaccurate and not a good decision maker, AH lacks arm strength.  I would like to see Vadenboom get some reps at this point to see what he can do with this badger offense.
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elsmith4
That was the most beatable PSU team we've faced in a while against the worst Badger team in a while.  Painful to watch.  Neither Coan nor Horni is the answer.  Most mundane, vanilla offense I have ever seen from a Badger team, and that's saying something.  

Barry has to hold someone accountable this season.  

Purdue is gonna have a field day against us.  

Ugh.
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traviswilson
elsmith4 wrote:
Mick, I was referring to the numerous hitch routes near the sidelines that Coan was able to make against NW.  They were consistent 10-15 yard gains.  Sure, Horni can make those throws, but he often floats them which ends up in interceptions (Iowa game last year is a example) and he takes longer than most QBs to get that throw out.  There's a reason PC only calls pass plays out of shotgun with him at QB.

Maybe I should have been more descriptive, sorry.  

The reason Coan was able to make those throws is because he could drop back quicker and has a quicker release..

Anyways, it won't matter who's at QB when PC calls a game the way he does this year and the vaunted OL plays undisciplined, inexcusable football.   Coan or Horni, doesn't matter.   

Lastly, how can you blame me for that post on the Horni situation?  I think Horni fooled everyone by how he performed in the bowl game against what is now a bad Miami team.  

Tough year for the Badgers.

Coan threw checkdowns against prevent defense against Northwestern. He still can't or won't get the ball down the field. Hornibrook is leaps and bounds better than Coan and anyone that suggested the Badgers had a better chance with Coan is out they damn minds.
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dawgstyle
I have never liked AH and Coan isn't any better.  I have a hard time believing that Graham Mertz isn't starting week 1 next year.  Coan is wildly inaccurate and not a good decision maker, AH lacks arm strength.  I would like to see Vadenboom get some reps at this point to see what he can do with this badger offense.


I think you underestimate the difficulty for a true freshman to step in as a week 1 starter...
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elsmith4

Coan threw checkdowns against prevent defense against Northwestern. He still can't or won't get the ball down the field. Hornibrook is leaps and bounds better than Coan and anyone that suggested the Badgers had a better chance with Coan is out they damn minds.



Hornibrooks go-2 route is hitting quick hitters to Fergy/Taylor over the middle.  Coan showed he can't make those throws today. 

The only good throws I saw him make that Horni never consistently made were the 8-10 yard hitch routes on a 3-step drop.  Coan did that 3-4 times at NW. 

Horni isn't anything special and never will be.  Coan isn't anything special either.  

Paul Chryst has himself in a terribly frustrating spot with our QB situation.  Case closed. 
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db11
So it turns out being large, eating a lot and having good off-field camaraderie means little when it comes to be able to pass block at an efficient level in FBS football.

Defense has gotten a lot of flak but they're doing what they can to keep this team competitive. Offense brought back 80% of its players and can barely function.

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