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WIAC Announces Addition of Illinois Institute of Technology for Baseball

Was the best fit for both groups. Illinois Tech looking to gain NCAA status and the WIAC needing a 7th team to keep it's automatic qualifier for the Division III NCAA tourney. I just wonder how long it will last and if a better/permanent solution to the problem exists.
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Two things...

1. Even without seven teams, the top WIAC team would more than likely earn a Pool B did each year as an "Independent" so I don't think it is that important to get the seventh team, especially one that might struggle to compete.

2. The addition of Illinois Tech might actually do more harm than good.... Depending on how competitive they actually are, they have the potential to really hurt a teams "Strength of Schedule" by playing them four times. With "Strength of Schedule" playing a big part in determining Pool C bids, the WIAC teams that don't get a Pool A bid might actually be at a disadvantage now when resumes are compared between Pool C candidates.

I guess I will take a "wait and see" approach, however I'm not sure it was necessary to add Illinois Tech at this point....
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formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
Two things...

1. Even without seven teams, the top WIAC team would more than likely earn a Pool B did each year as an "Independent" so I don't think it is that important to get the seventh team, especially one that might struggle to compete.

2. The addition of Illinois Tech might actually do more harm than good.... Depending on how competitive they actually are, they have the potential to really hurt a teams "Strength of Schedule" by playing them four times. With "Strength of Schedule" playing a big part in determining Pool C bids, the WIAC teams that don't get a Pool A bid might actually be at a disadvantage now when resumes are compared between Pool C candidates.

I guess I will take a "wait and see" approach, however I'm not sure it was necessary to add Illinois Tech at this point....
Interesting take on the SOS. Never thought of it like that. It definitely does have the potential to keep the conference to just two teams in the NCAA tournament.

As a UWO I'm not too worried about it. Coach Tomasiewicz has done a good job of scheduling opponents in the non-conference as is.
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newmen wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
Two things...

1. Even without seven teams, the top WIAC team would more than likely earn a Pool B did each year as an "Independent" so I don't think it is that important to get the seventh team, especially one that might struggle to compete.

2. The addition of Illinois Tech might actually do more harm than good.... Depending on how competitive they actually are, they have the potential to really hurt a teams "Strength of Schedule" by playing them four times. With "Strength of Schedule" playing a big part in determining Pool C bids, the WIAC teams that don't get a Pool A bid might actually be at a disadvantage now when resumes are compared between Pool C candidates.

I guess I will take a "wait and see" approach, however I'm not sure it was necessary to add Illinois Tech at this point....
Interesting take on the SOS. Never thought of it like that. It definitely does have the potential to keep the conference to just two teams in the NCAA tournament.

As a UWO I'm not too worried about it. Coach Tomasiewicz has done a good job of scheduling opponents in the non-conference as is.

Depending on who else Illinois Tech plays and beats/loses to, I wouldn't be shocked if the WIAC was even be a one bid league at some point....

As far as the UWO schedule, it has been littered with St. Thomas, St. Scholastica, St. Norbert/Ripon for as long as I can remember. Getting the 6-8 games against teams that regularly win their league does nothing but help the strength of schedule. The only thing coaches don't have a lot of control over is who ends up being in Florida/Arizona at the same time they are on their annual Spring Trip, and to a lesser extent who they get paired up with.
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formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
newmen wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
Two things...

1. Even without seven teams, the top WIAC team would more than likely earn a Pool B did each year as an "Independent" so I don't think it is that important to get the seventh team, especially one that might struggle to compete.

2. The addition of Illinois Tech might actually do more harm than good.... Depending on how competitive they actually are, they have the potential to really hurt a teams "Strength of Schedule" by playing them four times. With "Strength of Schedule" playing a big part in determining Pool C bids, the WIAC teams that don't get a Pool A bid might actually be at a disadvantage now when resumes are compared between Pool C candidates.

I guess I will take a "wait and see" approach, however I'm not sure it was necessary to add Illinois Tech at this point....
Interesting take on the SOS. Never thought of it like that. It definitely does have the potential to keep the conference to just two teams in the NCAA tournament.

As a UWO I'm not too worried about it. Coach Tomasiewicz has done a good job of scheduling opponents in the non-conference as is.

Depending on who else Illinois Tech plays and beats/loses to, I wouldn't be shocked if the WIAC was even be a one bid league at some point....

As far as the UWO schedule, it has been littered with St. Thomas, St. Scholastica, St. Norbert/Ripon for as long as I can remember. Getting the 6-8 games against teams that regularly win their league does nothing but help the strength of schedule. The only thing coaches don't have a lot of control over is who ends up being in Florida/Arizona at the same time they are on their annual Spring Trip, and to a lesser extent who they get paired up with.


Eh I see this ending up as a Finlandia situation for the WIAC. I really feel that they will struggle to be competitive in the WIAC in baseball. Also the first year will be rough for them. They are bringing their program back after a year in hiatus.
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Can't say I follow this all that closely but are there other better candidates to join the WIAC?
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blade12 wrote:
Can't say I follow this all that closely but are there other better candidates to join the WIAC?

Doubtful, but that was my point....

The WIAC baseball teams don't need Illinois Tech other than getting to that magical number of seven conference teams, and with the quality of play in the WIAC they are virtually guaranteed a Pool B (Independent)/Pool C (At-Large) bid each year anyway so their addition is going to be minimal at best....[:%]
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Hate to bring up an old topic but, Illinois Tech's stay in WIAC will be a short one if that.

http://www.naccsports.org/general/2016-17/releases/20170503gwd1ke

Illinois Tech is heading to the Northern Athletic Collegiate Conference starting the 2018-19 for all sports. 2018 will be their final year of transition (from NAIA) so the WIAC will still be looking for a team to make them Pool C eligible in baseball.

No brainer for Illinois Tech to move to the NACC. Since they joined D3, it was thought that they would try to join the league since there is a (Concordia Chicago, Dominican, Benedictine, Aurora) few league schools within the area.
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amped0808 wrote:
Hate to bring up an old topic but, Illinois Tech's stay in WIAC will be a short one if that.

http://www.naccsports.org/general/2016-17/releases/20170503gwd1ke

Illinois Tech is heading to the Northern Athletic Collegiate Conference starting the 2018-19 for all sports. 2018 will be their final year of transition (from NAIA) so the WIAC will still be looking for a team to make them Pool C eligible in baseball.

No brainer for Illinois Tech to move to the NACC. Since they joined D3, it was thought that they would try to join the league since there is a (Concordia Chicago, Dominican, Benedictine, Aurora) few league schools within the area.

All WIAC teams will continue to remain Pool C eligible.... It's the Pool A bid that they will lose after the two year grace period once they drop below seven teams.

In the big picture however, (as I said earlier) the WIAC has gotten multiple Pool C bids in the past, so I don't see this being a huge issue. If it is, it just shows how far the WIAC will have fallen on the National landscape in regards to their baseball programs.
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formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
amped0808 wrote:
Hate to bring up an old topic but, Illinois Tech's stay in WIAC will be a short one if that.

http://www.naccsports.org/general/2016-17/releases/20170503gwd1ke

Illinois Tech is heading to the Northern Athletic Collegiate Conference starting the 2018-19 for all sports. 2018 will be their final year of transition (from NAIA) so the WIAC will still be looking for a team to make them Pool C eligible in baseball.

No brainer for Illinois Tech to move to the NACC. Since they joined D3, it was thought that they would try to join the league since there is a (Concordia Chicago, Dominican, Benedictine, Aurora) few league schools within the area.

All WIAC teams will continue to remain Pool C eligible.... It's the Pool A bid that they will lose after the two year grace period once they drop below seven teams.

In the big picture however, (as I said earlier) the WIAC has gotten multiple Pool C bids in the past, so I don't see this being a huge issue. If it is, it just shows how far the WIAC will have fallen on the National landscape in regards to their baseball programs.


Oops had a typo there. Having UW-Superior leave a few years back is still coming back to haunt them at this point in baseball.

EDIT: After looking at the 2nd regional rankings it looks 50/50 that the WIAC will get multiple Pool C bids with UWW at #1 and UW-La Crosse at #6 and UWO dropping out of the rankings.
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Having UW-Superior leave a few years back is still coming back to haunt them at this point in baseball.

Can I ask how?

If anything, it's probably helped their Strength of Schedule number, as Stevens Point (#2), La Crosse (#7), Whitewater (#30), and Oshkosh (#43) are all ranked in the Top 50.
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amped0808 wrote:
Having UW-Superior leave a few years back is still coming back to haunt them at this point in baseball.

Can I ask how?

If anything, it's probably helped their Strength of Schedule number, as Stevens Point (#2), La Crosse (#7), Whitewater (#30), and Oshkosh (#43) are all ranked in the Top 50.


In case of a pool A bid I meant.
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amped0808 wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
amped0808 wrote:
Having UW-Superior leave a few years back is still coming back to haunt them at this point in baseball.

Can I ask how?

If anything, it's probably helped their Strength of Schedule number, as Stevens Point (#2), La Crosse (#7), Whitewater (#30), and Oshkosh (#43) are all ranked in the Top 50.


In case of a pool A bid I meant.

And once again, the WIAC isn't the MWC, UMAC, or even the NACC for that matter where they need the Pool A to earn a bid....

The WIAC has had multiple teams qualify for Regionals every season since 2007, and as long as La Crosse doesn't fall on their face this weekend the streak probably continues this year.

Superior leaving the WIAC hasn't "haunted" them one bit.... Could it in the future? Possibly, but again if it does that says more to me about the drop in performance of the league overall regardless of whether they have five, six, seven or eight teams in it....
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