hueby
Taken from wiaawi.org:

"The Board supported an amended recommendation for a two-year experiment on sponsoring two divisions in boys hockey beginning with the 2020 State Tournament. The tournament format will feature four teams in Division 1 and four in Division 2 with the smallest 32 programs by enrollment assigned to Division 2.

Another action item in hockey was the approval of the procedure for seeding the State Tournament. The WIAA will conduct a conference call with coaches of qualifying teams to determine the top four seeds, and the remaining four teams will be randomly drawn as opponents of the seeded teams in the brackets. The guidelines for seeding will replicate those for the regional and sectional levels."
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hueby
I really like this proposal and feel it is long overdue. Unfortunately I don't have a list of Wisconsin teams by enrollment. Majority of them are co-op programs anyway.

Some thoughts & questions that come to mind:

* I believe Northland Pines is a pure hockey program that stands alone. If they end up in D2 that could be huge for them.

* I remember the University School in Milwaukee-a private school- was near the low end in enrollment and this would put them in D2. Will they opt up or will they own D2?

* Will some co-op teams play their cards right & drop certain schools to fall into D2?

* Will this create certain playoff rivalries in each Division?

* I like the coaches doing the seeding. I think they will do a good job.

Just my personal thoughts.
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blugold94
I don't have an issue with 2 divisions, but to guarantee half of the state tournament to the smallest 32 schools is not something I like. In fact, it's not right at all to have the remainder of the state going for just 4 spots at the state tournament.
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hueby
blugold94 wrote:
I don't have an issue with 2 divisions, but to guarantee half of the state tournament to the smallest 32 schools is not something I like. In fact, it's not right at all to have the remainder of the state going for just 4 spots at the state tournament.


That's a good point. Maybe it involves the disparity of the co-op schools falling in D1 vs D2 or it works for the brackets??? I just can't find any current hockey enrollments for Wisconsin.

Did find this article. Hopefully sheds a little more light:

http://www.rivernewsonline.com/main.asp?SectionID=8&SubSectionID=77&ArticleID=77764
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newmen
Great idea.

Mosinee co-oped (and still might) with Newman and Columbus Catholic. Might have had a combined enrollment of 1,100 students. I remember going to watch Mosinee at the state tournament back in 2008 and seeing Appleton United with a combined enrollment of well over 4,000 kids roll into the Alliant Energy Center for the game following Mosinee's.

Two divisions will make things much more equitable.
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blugold94 wrote:
Based on current numbers 55 D-1 teams and 32 D-2 teams. Can see why the GNC is excited. 25 percent of the D-2 field could come from that league....maybe they can get the WIAA to put 2 GNC teams in each D-2 sectional and they can get the whole D-2 state field.


That's the thing I really do not care for with the GNC. A few WVC teams that got tired of being beat up on, go to where they are the "big fish", and think they're a big deal when they start beating up on others until they meet up with their WVC rivals.

Either way, I am not sure how I feel about the 2 Division split. I guess it depends where what teams go, how the sectionals are divided up, etc...
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newmen wrote:
Great idea.

Mosinee co-oped (and still might) with Newman and Columbus Catholic. Might have had a combined enrollment of 1,100 students. I remember going to watch Mosinee at the state tournament back in 2008 and seeing Appleton United with a combined enrollment of well over 4,000 kids roll into the Alliant Energy Center for the game following Mosinee's.

Two divisions will make things much more equitable.


Which brings Hubey's point into play, is it possible some schools will drop co-op partners to try to get into the smaller division?
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blugold94
I don't think we'll see any co-ops breaking up because of 2 divisions....if they do, it would be because they have the numbers and quality to have a competitive program. From what I've seen in any sport where there are co-ops, it isn't about winning state titles but being competitive and having enough athletes to continue to be competitive if a few kids get hurt.
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blade12
blugold94 wrote:
I don't think we'll see any co-ops breaking up because of 2 divisions....if they do, it would be because they have the numbers and quality to have a competitive program. From what I've seen in any sport where there are co-ops, it isn't about winning state titles but being competitive and having enough athletes to continue to be competitive if a few kids get hurt.


I am not overly familiar with hockey, mostly the local Fox Cities teams (United the 3 Appleton schools, and Stars about 6-7 other schools) and I would think the main co-op schools are still large enough to keep them in the large division even if they dropped a smaller contributor.
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blugold94
Based on current numbers 55 D-1 teams and 32 D-2 teams. Can see why the GNC is excited. 25 percent of the D-2 field could come from that league....maybe they can get the WIAA to put 2 GNC teams in each D-2 sectional and they can get the whole D-2 state field.
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baker18
Fox cities stars may be the team to watch if they do this. If you look at last years roster, they had most of their players come from Xavier and Kimberly. they honestly could filed their own team with just those two schools as the JV team has players also. If the opportunity presented itself, I would not be surprised if they went with Kimberly, Xavier and the remaining schools staying as the Stars to potentially have 2 if not 3 d2 teams
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blade12
baker18 wrote:
Fox cities stars may be the team to watch if they do this. If you look at last years roster, they had most of their players come from Xavier and Kimberly. they honestly could filed their own team with just those two schools as the JV team has players also. If the opportunity presented itself, I would not be surprised if they went with Kimberly, Xavier and the remaining schools staying as the Stars to potentially have 2 if not 3 d2 teams


Using Bluegold's numbers of 55 D1 and 32 D2 teams it depends on the enrollments of each. I assumed that as soon as you had Kimberly in a co-op their enrollment added with even 1 other school would place them in D1 anyway but maybe not depending upon who that other co-op school is.
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hueby
I guess all I meant to say is some of the "boarder line" co-op programs have the option/ability to steer themselves into a more favorable position.

One thing by splitting into more than one division are hockey teams (co-op or if dropping to "stand alone") may drop the schools who only provide a few hockey players.

This in turn could force those hockey players to open enroll into other schools if they want to play WIAA hockey. This could be a loss for the losing school especially if that hockey player is a key starter in another fall or spring sport.

Some of you may have seen this already.

I know it happened around the Green Bay area when WIAA hockey started. Just wanted to throw that out there.

Anxious to see what happens with the new 2-division format. Have a hunch GB Notre Dame Academy and University School of Milwaukee will land in D2 based on "enrollment." Will they opt up to compete against the likes of Superior, Verona Area, Wausau West, etc?
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bigjer54
D2 could be between Edgewood, Notre Dame, and University School every year. Despite that, I think this will force some of the huge co-ops to break up, and each school could have their own program. If a program has a JV program, and there are 50+ kids combined, than the co-op is to big, IMO.



hueby wrote:
I guess all I meant to say is some of the "boarder line" co-op programs have the option/ability to steer themselves into a more favorable position.

One thing by splitting into more than one division are hockey teams (co-op or if dropping to "stand alone") may drop the schools who only provide a few hockey players.

This in turn could force those hockey players to open enroll into other schools if they want to play WIAA hockey. This could be a loss for the losing school especially if that hockey player is a key starter in another fall or spring sport.

Some of you may have seen this already.

I know it happened around the Green Bay area when WIAA hockey started. Just wanted to throw that out there.

Anxious to see what happens with the new 2-division format. Have a hunch GB Notre Dame Academy and University School of Milwaukee will land in D2 based on "enrollment." Will they opt up to compete against the likes of Superior, Verona Area, Wausau West, etc?
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cverse1
wr88 wrote:
blugold94 wrote:
Based on current numbers 55 D-1 teams and 32 D-2 teams. Can see why the GNC is excited. 25 percent of the D-2 field could come from that league....maybe they can get the WIAA to put 2 GNC teams in each D-2 sectional and they can get the whole D-2 state field.


That's the thing I really do not care for with the GNC. A few WVC teams that got tired of being beat up on, go to where they are the "big fish", and think they're a big deal when they start beating up on others until they meet up with their WVC rivals.

Either way, I am not sure how I feel about the 2 Division split. I guess it depends where what teams go, how the sectionals are divided up, etc...


Bluegold94, I can assure you not all the GNC teams are happy about this.

WR88, a quick history lesson for you. The GNC came into being because of the Lumberjack Conference dissolving in the early 2000's not because a few former WVC schools got tired of being beat up on. Antigo has more than held there own when playing there former WVC rivals in non-conference contests.
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