gstacy
Should WI coaches sell their ability to get their recruits to the next level whatever league that be? NBA Europe or other leagues?
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dawgstyle
What exactly would be the angle?  Off the top of my head there are like 2 Badgers playing meaningful minutes in the NBA and no one on this staff got Dekker to that level he was already there.

You need to actually put guy into the NBA to use that selling point.
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db11
Wisconsin basketball would have to completely remake itself if it's going to sell itself as an NBA stepping stone. I just don't see that happening until Gard is relieved of his job...and even then I don't think they're going to go down that road with his replacement. It's simply not in the fiber of the University.
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db11 wrote:
Wisconsin basketball would have to completely remake itself if it's going to sell itself as an NBA stepping stone. I just don't see that happening until Gard is relieved of his job...and even then I don't think they're going to go down that road with his replacement. It's simply not in the fiber of the University.


I have a hard time believing that will ever be the identity of UW hoops. If they were to ever hire a coach that recruited NBA type talent out of high school, I can't see that coach sticking around for too long. 
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gstacy
there are many other leagues.
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gstacy
How does this affect recruiting? Does this mean guys like Jalen, Patrick and Johnny are pretty much off the table?
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wiscopetty
Agree with what others have said – if your goal is to be a wayside between high school and the NBA, you have to fundamentally change the tone and attitude of your program. I doubt Wisconsin will ever do that, at least under Alvarez's watch.

This sounds like a broken record, but IMO a really great analog to Wisconsin is Virginia. Does Tony Bennett position his program as a "stepping stone" to the NBA? I'm guessing not. But he probably doesn't lose sleep over that.

There are probably programs out there who do a better job of walking this line – like Michigan – while maintaining their integrity. But Wisconsin has shown it's still possible to reach the heights of the game with their current programmatic makeup.
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db11
gstacy wrote:
How does this affect recruiting? Does this mean guys like Jalen, Patrick and Johnny are pretty much off the table?


Johnson was never really on the table other than giving local guy lip-service. Not entirely sold on the other two being out (though Baldwin is a long shot...I just think being a coach's kid and thus being more pragmatic leaves the door slightly open), however, if they didn't get Davis by now (before the flood), I think it's too late.

I did see that UW has shown interest in Donovan Ivory from Kaukauna (who just re-opened his commitment after having been verballed to Minnesota-Duluth) as a preferred walk-on.
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oldballcoach1
I agree that Wisconsin will never be a hub for NBA development.  It never has been and doesn't have to be.  But, along with that, shying away from guys like Johnson or Baldwin that could be one and dones isn't good either.  Obviously, it isn't said openly, but it is pretty well known that Bo wasn't a fan and Gard isn't   of guys that may only be there a year or two.  

For the most part, unless you are Duke or Kentucky, I am ok with not building your program around those guys.  I don't think anyone that cares about Badger basketball wants a consistent trail of one and dones in Madison.  However, when you have a kid with that potential in your own backyard, you have to go hard after them in my opinion.  First, they may not be one and done.  If Johnson were to come to Madison for 2 years, would he help build success and help to win games?  I think so.  Or lets say he is one and done.  If he helps to win games, isn't that a good thing?  And him playing a year or two isn't really going to do great harm to the team.  Isn't it the same as bringing in a grad transfer like Potter for a short term?  It is kind of like Ted Thompson's draft and develop concept.  In college basketball today though, waiting for guys to develop is becoming an archaic concept.

With all that though, in the players defense, they know that playing in Madison is not going to enhance their game for the NBA.  I don't care what any pace of play site may say.  Players of that caliber want to spread the floor, shoot the 3, and play drive and kick.   So my argument may be null and void for the Badgers to go after those guys.    
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mickjagger
Instant gratification, a trademark of Millennials, is permeating all facets of American life, including college sports fans.  I like to refer to the prevailing need for immediate gratification as "cultural attention deficit disorder."
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db11
mickjagger wrote:
Instant gratification, a trademark of Millennials, is permeating all facets of American life, including college sports fans.  I like to refer to the prevailing need for immediate gratification as "cultural attention deficit disorder."


No fan of Millennials, but man do they get undo blame for a lot of stuff.

Last I checked that behavior has to be permitted by those who came before them. It wasn't the Millennials who fostered in this era...they're just the "benefactors" of it. Them, and they're enablers.
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mickjagger
mickjagger wrote:
Instant gratification
, a trademark of Millennials, is permeating all facets of American life, including college sports fans.  I like to refer to the prevailing need for immediate gratification as "cultural attention deficit disorder."
db11 wrote:
No fan of Millennials, but man do they get undo blame for a lot of stuff.

Last I checked that behavior has to be permitted by those who came before them. It wasn't the Millennials who fostered in this era...they're just the "benefactors" of it. Them, and their enablers.
FIFY ...   Don't get me wrong, I'm not necessarily holding any one demographic (parents, teachers, the Millennials themselves, social media) responsible or to blame for the behavior of Millennials.  Nor am I limiting their trademark behavior, "instant gratification" to only them.   What I was attempting to convey is that "instant gratification" which is an identifier of and often attributed to Millennials, is a fast-spreading virus among all sports fans and American culture, in general.
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mickjagger
A timely testimonial for college hoopsters completing their 4 full seasons of eligibility:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/michigan-states-experience-wins-out-over-dukes-talent-in-elite-eight-showdown/ar-BBVt4uo?li=BBnb7Kz 
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gstacy
Brevin, and Nate only 4 star recruits on the roster. others are mostly 2-3 star recruits. Virginia, Mich State littered with 4 stars and a 5 star recruit. And when I say the next level, I am not talking about one and done players, I am talking about the hs kid who wants to play professionally after college, wherever and whatever level that may be. That's what a lot of these kids want to do after college.
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wiscopetty
It then becomes kind of a chicken-or-egg problem – it's hard to sell recruits on your ability to turn them into NBA prospects if you don't have alumni in the NBA.

I don't think many HS players dream of going overseas to play basketball, so that's a moot point.
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