blugold94
First prediction for this season: There will be significant difference between the final league standings and the standings in games only between the five VFA-West teams. There are some significant differences between the strength of crossover opponents and that could be the difference between winning a league title or even making the playoffs.

A similar situation that we see in the Big Ten.....who you play in the crossover games can have a major impact on winning the division. Why I wish East, Merrill and Antigo could come back and we can have a real WVC again for football......or go back to the district proposal for football......
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baker18
Trust me you are not alone in your thoughts. I thought the formation of the VFA was stupid to begin with but it worked for a while. As soon as Wausau East went independent, I knew it would be the end of the road sooner or later for this conference. They need to just do away with the VFA and go back to the standard FVA like most of the valley schools want anyways. The WVC teams could join teams from the Great Northern conference and be fine and better off actually in terms of travel and competing
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db11
Talent (and enrollment...and socioeconomic) discrepancies will never let a WVC/Great Northern see the light of day.

If the VFA were to be dismantled, perhaps the best move (other than DISTRICTS) for the WVC teams would just be to play home-and-homes with each team and have an 8-game conference schedule. Not optimal, but for them, nothing will be...until DISTRICTS.
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blugold94
Both SPASH and Rapids look like they'll be a handful. Curious to see if the new coach adds a spark to help Everest return to their historically high level. Wausau West has a lot of holes to fill from graduation but has a very good returning RB and QB and #'s have been good. Marshfield needs to find some offense after last season's struggles.
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blugold94
After the first week, it looks like SPASH maybe already in a little trouble. Not because they lost to Neenah or even the big margin, but because of their crossover schedule. It's as tough as it can get:

vs Kimberly
@ Appleton North
vs Fond du Lac

Add a road game vs Wis Rapids during the FVA-West portion of the schedule, no guarantee they make the playoffs....especially if they fall to any of the other VFA-West opponents.

I know the crossover games are based on enrollment, but something should change next year as if you are competing in a division the schedules should be somewhat equal. Not a SPASH booster, but it seems to be an unfair disadvantage when looking at all the crossover schedules in the FVA-West.
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baker18
blugold94 wrote:
After the first week, it looks like SPASH maybe already in a little trouble. Not because they lost to Neenah or even the big margin, but because of their crossover schedule. It's as tough as it can get:

vs Kimberly
@ Appleton North
vs Fond du Lac

Add a road game vs Wis Rapids during the FVA-West portion of the schedule, no guarantee they make the playoffs....especially if they fall to any of the other VFA-West opponents.

I know the crossover games are based on enrollment, but something should change next year as if you are competing in a division the schedules should be somewhat equal. Not a SPASH booster, but it seems to be an unfair disadvantage when looking at all the crossover schedules in the FVA-West.



Really, Kimberly has the same type of schedule

At Fondy
Rapids
At Spash
Neenah later

you don't see them complaining. You play the cards that are dealt and all those schools are bigger than them. Sounds like someone is salty about a loss to Neenah
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blugold94
baker18 wrote:
blugold94 wrote:
After the first week, it looks like SPASH maybe already in a little trouble. Not because they lost to Neenah or even the big margin, but because of their crossover schedule. It's as tough as it can get:

vs Kimberly
@ Appleton North
vs Fond du Lac

Add a road game vs Wis Rapids during the FVA-West portion of the schedule, no guarantee they make the playoffs....especially if they fall to any of the other VFA-West opponents.

I know the crossover games are based on enrollment, but something should change next year as if you are competing in a division the schedules should be somewhat equal. Not a SPASH booster, but it seems to be an unfair disadvantage when looking at all the crossover schedules in the FVA-West.



Really, Kimberly has the same type of schedule

At Fondy
Rapids
At Spash
Neenah later

you don't see them complaining. You play the cards that are dealt and all those schools are bigger than them. Sounds like someone is salty about a loss to Neenah


Nobody is "salty" about a game (SP/Neenah) that I couldn't have cared less who won. Not every comment on this board is based on some kind of homerism (which I am guessing you are wearing your Kimberly pajamas as you wrote it.) I cover Wausau West as part of my job and have no "Go SPASH" bones in my body.....but if thinking that simplistic thought makes it easier for you to avoid the whole point of the post.....that, while not 100 percent possible in leagues where you don't have a pure round-robin and schools play the same opponents, that divisions should be scheduled as fairly as possible for all competitors.....even Kimberly.

Commenting on issues that don't feature your favorite team and involve issues for the good of everyone can be nice once in a while....you should try it.


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baker18
Actually i cover the entire fva vfa and nec for my job so no homerism. Im just saying the only people who complain about this new format has been people from the Wisconsin valley side of state. As far as im concerned tje vfa will be no more sooner rather than later if you ask coaches in the conference. 13 of the 15 hate the new format
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blade12
Article in the Post Crescent yesterday about the new format.

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/sports/2017/08/21/coaches-reactions-mixed-new-valley-football-association-football-setup/584407001/?hootPostID=ed2d730dca8d450ad20e0b9d5f63714e
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blade12
tedw2860 wrote:

some people, including the media, just cant let go. it's only been six years, lets keep complaining

This was an odd year because WE dropped and they had to reorganize the divisions leaving a hole in the schedules for some teams and with the late notice it was a scramble for some schools. It should get better going forward.
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blade12 wrote:
Article in the Post Crescent yesterday about the new format.

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/sports/2017/08/21/coaches-reactions-mixed-new-valley-football-association-football-setup/584407001/?hootPostID=ed2d730dca8d450ad20e0b9d5f63714e
some people, including the media, just cant let go. it's only been six years, lets keep complaining
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blade12
db11 wrote:
baker18 wrote:
blade12 wrote:
tedw2860 wrote:

some people, including the media, just cant let go. it's only been six years, lets keep complaining


This was an odd year because WE dropped and they had to reorganize the divisions leaving a hole in the schedules for some teams and with the late notice it was a scramble for some schools. It should get better going forward.



Like I said being involved with a majority of these coaches, most of them think it will go back to the Old FVA sooner than later, with the WVC schools having the choice to join the greater northern conference or other conferences in that area


Nope, the GNC would not be a viable option...and what "other conferences in the area?"

The only real relief other than VFA for the WVC is going to districts. Period. And even then they'd still probably play some FVA schools.

I've said it before, I'll say it again... use the West Bend model and split the larger WVC schools into 2 sports programs and you solve all of your travel and scheduling issues.

Approx enrollments if the largest schools are split:
DCE East 813
DCE West 813
Marsh 1219
SPASH East 1039
SPASH West 1039
Wausau West 1328
W Rapids East 771
W Rapids West 771

That gives us 8 WVC sports programs and you could probably get WE back for 9 and then only have to find 1 non conf game and with the new split enrollments you match up much better with the GNC for non conf.

The drawbacks:
The now largest schools aren't going to like being the smaller schools but do they really have a leg to stand on with that?

Cost of hiring 2 coaching staffs. Have a bake sale to pay for it like many are suggesting schools should do to pay for shot clocks.

IMO the WIAA should be all for this as it creates way more playing opportunities for kids in every sport.

I am not crazy I know this will never happen but when a conference is faced with issues they cannot resolve on their own then maybe, just maybe, the WIAA needs to step in and do more than force other well functioning conferences to take on and absorb the burdens of another conference.



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blade12 wrote:
db11 wrote:
baker18 wrote:
blade12 wrote:
tedw2860 wrote:

some people, including the media, just cant let go. it's only been six years, lets keep complaining


This was an odd year because WE dropped and they had to reorganize the divisions leaving a hole in the schedules for some teams and with the late notice it was a scramble for some schools. It should get better going forward.



Like I said being involved with a majority of these coaches, most of them think it will go back to the Old FVA sooner than later, with the WVC schools having the choice to join the greater northern conference or other conferences in that area


Nope, the GNC would not be a viable option...and what "other conferences in the area?"

The only real relief other than VFA for the WVC is going to districts. Period. And even then they'd still probably play some FVA schools.


I've said it before, I'll say it again... use the West Bend model and split the larger WVC schools into 2 sports programs and you solve all of your travel and scheduling issues.

Approx enrollments if the largest schools are split:
DCE East 813
DCE West 813
Marsh 1219
SPASH East 1039
SPASH West 1039
Wausau West 1328
W Rapids East 771
W Rapids West 771

That gives us 8 WVC sports programs and you could probably get WE back for 9 and then only have to find 1 non conf game and with the new split enrollments you match up much better with the GNC for non conf.

The drawbacks:
The now largest schools aren't going to like being the smaller schools but do they really have a leg to stand on with that?

Cost of hiring 2 coaching staffs. Have a bake sale to pay for it like many are suggesting schools should do to pay for shot clocks.

IMO the WIAA should be all for this as it creates way more playing opportunities for kids in every sport.

I am not crazy I know this will never happen but when a conference is faced with issues they cannot resolve on their own then maybe, just maybe, the WIAA needs to step in and do more than force other well functioning conferences to take on and absorb the burdens of another conference.



You realize this is happening all around the state in regards to football, correct? It's all about competitive equity in the face of a widening gap of haves and have-nots.

Again, let's just go to districts that are adjusted every two years and a large chunk of these issues go away (yes, some schools may have to take longer bus rides...oh darn). Better to retain as many 11-man programs as possible rather than to lose them to 8-man and season cancellations, right?
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baker18
db11 wrote:
blade12 wrote:
db11 wrote:
baker18 wrote:
blade12 wrote:
tedw2860 wrote:

some people, including the media, just cant let go. it's only been six years, lets keep complaining


This was an odd year because WE dropped and they had to reorganize the divisions leaving a hole in the schedules for some teams and with the late notice it was a scramble for some schools. It should get better going forward.



Like I said being involved with a majority of these coaches, most of them think it will go back to the Old FVA sooner than later, with the WVC schools having the choice to join the greater northern conference or other conferences in that area


Nope, the GNC would not be a viable option...and what "other conferences in the area?"

The only real relief other than VFA for the WVC is going to districts. Period. And even then they'd still probably play some FVA schools.


I've said it before, I'll say it again... use the West Bend model and split the larger WVC schools into 2 sports programs and you solve all of your travel and scheduling issues.

Approx enrollments if the largest schools are split:
DCE East 813
DCE West 813
Marsh 1219
SPASH East 1039
SPASH West 1039
Wausau West 1328
W Rapids East 771
W Rapids West 771

That gives us 8 WVC sports programs and you could probably get WE back for 9 and then only have to find 1 non conf game and with the new split enrollments you match up much better with the GNC for non conf.

The drawbacks:
The now largest schools aren't going to like being the smaller schools but do they really have a leg to stand on with that?

Cost of hiring 2 coaching staffs. Have a bake sale to pay for it like many are suggesting schools should do to pay for shot clocks.

IMO the WIAA should be all for this as it creates way more playing opportunities for kids in every sport.

I am not crazy I know this will never happen but when a conference is faced with issues they cannot resolve on their own then maybe, just maybe, the WIAA needs to step in and do more than force other well functioning conferences to take on and absorb the burdens of another conference.



You realize this is happening all around the state in regards to football, correct? It's all about competitive equity in the face of a widening gap of haves and have-nots.

Again, let's just go to districts that are adjusted every two years and a large chunk of these issues go away (yes, some schools may have to take longer bus rides...oh darn). Better to retain as many 11-man programs as possible rather than to lose them to 8-man and season cancellations, right?

What Competitive equity has the VFA brought to the table. Outside of SPASH and DCE the VFA has not been able to consistently compete with the FVA schools. who wants to take a near three hour bus ride from Fondy to Marshfield to watch them get hammered by 50
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blade12
db11 wrote:
You realize this is happening all around the state in regards to football, correct? It's all about competitive equity in the face of a widening gap of haves and have-nots.

Again, let's just go to districts that are adjusted every two years and a large chunk of these issues go away (yes, some schools may have to take longer bus rides...oh darn). Better to retain as many 11-man programs as possible rather than to lose them to 8-man and season cancellations, right?


The WVC is a microcosm of competitive equity issues.
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