mickjagger
After 25 years as head coach, UWO has decided not to renew Lechnir's contract.

Lechnir led the Titans to the NCAA Division III championship in 1994, among his nine Division III World Series appearances. UWO also won 12 WIAC championships under Lechnir's watch.

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20130518/OSH0201/130518015/Lechnir-won-t-return-UWO-baseball-coach-next-season?odyssey=tab
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mickjagger
mickjagger wrote:
After 25 years as head coach, UWO has decided not to renew Lechnir's contract.

Lechnir led the Titans to the NCAA Division III championship in 1994, among his nine Division III World Series appearances. UWO also won 12 WIAC championships under Lechnir's watch.

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20130518/OSH0201/130518015/Lechnir-won-t-return-UWO-baseball-coach-next-season?odyssey=tab
WBAY-TV is reporting that Lechnir has begun litigation regarding the matter of his dismissal.

More:
http://www.wbay.com/story/22400643/2013/05/22/uw-oshkosh-ends-tom-lechnirs-25-year-coaching-career
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Ousted UW-Oshkosh baseball coach Tom Lechnir fighting back

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/statecolleges/ousted-uw-oshkosh-baseball-coach-tom-lechnir-fighting-back-b9950576z1-215006351.html
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It's an interesting story.

He wasn't fired, just non-renewed. Which is public education-speak for "fired."

My perceptions are the same as many - UW-O is ultra-focused on the growth of the FB program, and the other programs are really struggling to maintain coaches.

I, too, have heard a few coaches say they would rather their players not go to Lechnir. And if that's a pretty popular opinion, it might be time for Lechnir to go. (I'm not sure if that's the prevailing opinion, just based on my VERY small sampling.)

Sounds like they also let him know they'd be non-renewing. So, he had ample notice to figure out the doors would be locked.

The other issue that needs to be investigated is UWO's handling of funds. One of the commenters had it right - it's hard enough to fundraise for DIII. Why alienate your donor-base by diverting funds away from what they've been earmarked for? Dumb decision, and if true, will probably result in more jobs lost than just the Coach.
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voiceofreason wrote:
It's an interesting story.

He wasn't fired, just non-renewed. Which is public education-speak for "fired."

My perceptions are the same as many - UW-O is ultra-focused on the growth of the FB program, and the other programs are really struggling to maintain coaches.

I, too, have heard a few coaches say they would rather their players not go to Lechnir. And if that's a pretty popular opinion, it might be time for Lechnir to go. (I'm not sure if that's the prevailing opinion, just based on my VERY small sampling.)

Sounds like they also let him know they'd be non-renewing. So, he had ample notice to figure out the doors would be locked.

The other issue that needs to be investigated is UWO's handling of funds. One of the commenters had it right - it's hard enough to fundraise for DIII. Why alienate your donor-base by diverting funds away from what they've been earmarked for? Dumb decision, and if true, will probably result in more jobs lost than just the Coach.

Since when does June 28th come before June 30th on a calendar?

He was told his contract expired June 30th, not June 28th. I would think he has earned the right to still access his office up until his contract expired, which would make it a surprise that the locks were changed on June 28th.
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Forgot to mention, UWO AD Sims is a football guy having played at UW so it should come as no surprise that a lot of efforts are going towards the football program.

It would be quite ironic if he ended up being the fall guy as far as administration goes if they ever got to the bottom of the money issue.....
"Let's Play Two!!!"

Baseball is not a game that builds character, it is a game that reveals it.

"There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
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formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
It's an interesting story.

He wasn't fired, just non-renewed. Which is public education-speak for "fired."

My perceptions are the same as many - UW-O is ultra-focused on the growth of the FB program, and the other programs are really struggling to maintain coaches.

I, too, have heard a few coaches say they would rather their players not go to Lechnir. And if that's a pretty popular opinion, it might be time for Lechnir to go. (I'm not sure if that's the prevailing opinion, just based on my VERY small sampling.)

Sounds like they also let him know they'd be non-renewing. So, he had ample notice to figure out the doors would be locked.

The other issue that needs to be investigated is UWO's handling of funds. One of the commenters had it right - it's hard enough to fundraise for DIII. Why alienate your donor-base by diverting funds away from what they've been earmarked for? Dumb decision, and if true, will probably result in more jobs lost than just the Coach.

Since when does June 28th come before June 30th on a calendar?

He was told his contract expired June 30th, not June 28th. I would think he has earned the right to still access his office up until his contract expired, which would make it a surprise that the locks were changed on June 28th.


Ah! Missed that.

And yes, he should have access up to and including June 30th.
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formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
Forgot to mention, UWO AD Sims is a football guy having played at UW so it should come as no surprise that a lot of efforts are going towards the football program.

It would be quite ironic if he ended up being the fall guy as far as administration goes if they ever got to the bottom of the money issue.....


Agreed. It is the Richter/Alvarez model - build Football and have it help fund everything else... Hard to argue with the results, based on how stable UW athletics are now.

I'd like to see UW bring back some of the sports it cut to stay afloat (Baseball, etc), and hope UWO doesn't go the same route in that respect.

BTW, WIAC, you must have had interaction with Lechnir in your playing days. What's your take?
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voiceofreason wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
Forgot to mention, UWO AD Sims is a football guy having played at UW so it should come as no surprise that a lot of efforts are going towards the football program.

It would be quite ironic if he ended up being the fall guy as far as administration goes if they ever got to the bottom of the money issue.....


Agreed. It is the Richter/Alvarez model - build Football and have it help fund everything else... Hard to argue with the results, based on how stable UW athletics are now.I'd like to see UW bring back some of the sports it cut to stay afloat (Baseball, etc), and hope UWO doesn't go the same route in that respect.

BTW, WIAC, you must have had interaction with Lechnir in your playing days. What's your take?


Huge difference between UW and UWO. D3 football isn't going to sustain any other sport and that likely includes itself without outside corporate sponsor dollars.

Last time I went to a football game a couple of years ago I would guess there were 150 spectators including students.

Hard to earn corporate trust once you damage that. Too many other legit causes to give money too.

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voiceofreason wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
Forgot to mention, UWO AD Sims is a football guy having played at UW so it should come as no surprise that a lot of efforts are going towards the football program.

It would be quite ironic if he ended up being the fall guy as far as administration goes if they ever got to the bottom of the money issue.....


Agreed. It is the Richter/Alvarez model - build Football and have it help fund everything else... Hard to argue with the results, based on how stable UW athletics are now.

I'd like to see UW bring back some of the sports it cut to stay afloat (Baseball, etc), and hope UWO doesn't go the same route in that respect.

BTW, WIAC, you must have had interaction with Lechnir in your playing days. What's your take?

People either love him or hate him.... There doesn't seem to be many in between.
"Let's Play Two!!!"

Baseball is not a game that builds character, it is a game that reveals it.

"There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
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formerwiacbaseballer
blade12 wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
Forgot to mention, UWO AD Sims is a football guy having played at UW so it should come as no surprise that a lot of efforts are going towards the football program.

It would be quite ironic if he ended up being the fall guy as far as administration goes if they ever got to the bottom of the money issue.....


Agreed. It is the Richter/Alvarez model - build Football and have it help fund everything else... Hard to argue with the results, based on how stable UW athletics are now.I'd like to see UW bring back some of the sports it cut to stay afloat (Baseball, etc), and hope UWO doesn't go the same route in that respect.

BTW, WIAC, you must have had interaction with Lechnir in your playing days. What's your take?


Huge difference between UW and UWO. D3 football isn't going to sustain any other sport and that likely includes itself without outside corporate sponsor dollars.

Last time I went to a football game a couple of years ago I would guess there were 150 spectators including students.

Hard to earn corporate trust once you damage that. Too many other legit causes to give money too.

Couldn't agree more!!!!
"Let's Play Two!!!"

Baseball is not a game that builds character, it is a game that reveals it.

"There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
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blade12
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
Forgot to mention, UWO AD Sims is a football guy having played at UW so it should come as no surprise that a lot of efforts are going towards the football program.

It would be quite ironic if he ended up being the fall guy as far as administration goes if they ever got to the bottom of the money issue.....


Agreed. It is the Richter/Alvarez model - build Football and have it help fund everything else... Hard to argue with the results, based on how stable UW athletics are now.

I'd like to see UW bring back some of the sports it cut to stay afloat (Baseball, etc), and hope UWO doesn't go the same route in that respect.

BTW, WIAC, you must have had interaction with Lechnir in your playing days. What's your take?

People either love him or hate him.... There doesn't seem to be many in between.


I certainly did not play for nor do i know Lechnir. Sounds like the kind of coach you hate when you play for him but 10-15 years later you respect a lot more for what he taught you.
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blade12 wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
Forgot to mention, UWO AD Sims is a football guy having played at UW so it should come as no surprise that a lot of efforts are going towards the football program.

It would be quite ironic if he ended up being the fall guy as far as administration goes if they ever got to the bottom of the money issue.....


Agreed. It is the Richter/Alvarez model - build Football and have it help fund everything else... Hard to argue with the results, based on how stable UW athletics are now.

I'd like to see UW bring back some of the sports it cut to stay afloat (Baseball, etc), and hope UWO doesn't go the same route in that respect.

BTW, WIAC, you must have had interaction with Lechnir in your playing days. What's your take?

People either love him or hate him.... There doesn't seem to be many in between.


I certainly did not play for nor do i know Lechnir. Sounds like the kind of coach you hate when you play for him but 10-15 years later you respect a lot more for what he taught you.

In recent seasons, Lechnir has acquired many detractors in relation to his coaching methods. Speculation abounds that the success of the UWO baseball program has fallen off because the quality of recruits has diminished due to that perception. Just sayin'.
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formerwiacbaseballer
mickjagger wrote:
blade12 wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
Forgot to mention, UWO AD Sims is a football guy having played at UW so it should come as no surprise that a lot of efforts are going towards the football program.

It would be quite ironic if he ended up being the fall guy as far as administration goes if they ever got to the bottom of the money issue.....


Agreed. It is the Richter/Alvarez model - build Football and have it help fund everything else... Hard to argue with the results, based on how stable UW athletics are now.

I'd like to see UW bring back some of the sports it cut to stay afloat (Baseball, etc), and hope UWO doesn't go the same route in that respect.

BTW, WIAC, you must have had interaction with Lechnir in your playing days. What's your take?

People either love him or hate him.... There doesn't seem to be many in between.


I certainly did not play for nor do i know Lechnir. Sounds like the kind of coach you hate when you play for him but 10-15 years later you respect a lot more for what he taught you.

In recent seasons, Lechnir has acquired many detractors in relation to his coaching methods. Speculation abounds that the success of the UWO baseball program has fallen off because the quality of recruits has diminished due to that perception. Just sayin'.

I know you bolded speculation, but in my opinion I think A LOT has to do with the fact that guys like Coach Bloom and Coach Vodenlich are working the recruiting trails just as hard as Coach Lechnir these days. In years past, Coach Lechnir was "ahead of the game" when it came to recruiting and the results showed it.
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Baseball is not a game that builds character, it is a game that reveals it.

"There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
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mickjagger
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
mickjagger wrote:
blade12 wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
formerwiacbaseballer wrote:
Forgot to mention, UWO AD Sims is a football guy having played at UW so it should come as no surprise that a lot of efforts are going towards the football program.

It would be quite ironic if he ended up being the fall guy as far as administration goes if they ever got to the bottom of the money issue.....


Agreed. It is the Richter/Alvarez model - build Football and have it help fund everything else... Hard to argue with the results, based on how stable UW athletics are now.

I'd like to see UW bring back some of the sports it cut to stay afloat (Baseball, etc), and hope UWO doesn't go the same route in that respect.

BTW, WIAC, you must have had interaction with Lechnir in your playing days. What's your take?

People either love him or hate him.... There doesn't seem to be many in between.


I certainly did not play for nor do i know Lechnir. Sounds like the kind of coach you hate when you play for him but 10-15 years later you respect a lot more for what he taught you.

In recent seasons, Lechnir has acquired many detractors in relation to his coaching methods. Speculation abounds that the success of the UWO baseball program has fallen off because the quality of recruits has diminished due to that perception. Just sayin'.

I know you bolded speculation, but in my opinion I think A LOT has to do with the fact that guys like Coach Bloom and Coach Vodenlich are working the recruiting trails just as hard as Coach Lechnir these days. In years past, Coach Lechnir was "ahead of the game" when it came to recruiting and the results showed it.

No doubt. Lechnir, more or less, had his pick of the litter in the state of Wisconsin for several years, especially during the glory days of the program (1990's and early 2000's). Lechnir's biggest competitor for in-state talent was probably UW-Milwaukee, the state's only D-1 program. Certainly the UW-Whitewater & UW-Stevens Point baseball programs have caught up or possibly even surpassed the UWO program on the recruiting trail. The success of the UWW & UWSP programs on the diamond in the past 10 yrs has undoubtedly contributed to their recruiting success. The question becomes: Which came first .... the chicken or the egg? Did success by UWW & UWSP breed better recruiting or did better recruiting breed success? Did some of the negative, well-publicized UWO baseball events (see below) contribute to a drop-off in recruiting quality by the Lechnir & the Titans, yielding a piece of their recruiting dominance to schools like UWW & UWSP? Or, did the success of the UWW & UWSP programs, in and by itself, put a dent in UWO's recruiting edge? Perhaps it was a combination of both.

IMO, UWO's program, in its heyday, was impacted greatly by great pitching. This is certainly an area where the Titans have fallen off. UWSP & UWW have caught up & problaby surpassed the Titans, in recent seasons, in terms of talent on the mound.

An excerpt from an internet blog, dated April 27, 2005, referencing a couple of UWO baseball developments that did not reflect well on Coach Lechnir and his baseball program at UWO:

"Finally, there is the seemingly endless behavior of Tom Lechnir, UWO head baseball coach for the past 13 years.

First, there were the allegations of both physical and verbal abuse from former player Eric Servais in 2001.

Then, most shockingly, there was the ?base brawl? last season during the second game of a doubleheader versus UW-Whitewater. Lechnir and former Milwaukee Brewer reliever Doug Henry were identified as the two primary figures in the incident."
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