gstacy
Are we done with this? Or going down the same path?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/highschools/after-a-16-million-donation-a-high-school-football-leagues-race-for-recruits-goes-national/2018/11/29/81b550b8-eb5d-11e8-9236-bb94154151d2_story.html?utm_term=.9cb82f31123d&tid=a_inl_manual
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cboysmith


I don't see how the tide gets stemmed. The Indoor Facility arms races that is heating up in Wisconsin will only exacerbate this. 
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hashmarken34
Nothing new. Same stuff is done on the academic side too. 
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blade12
This is happening in WI on a smaller scale with the indoor practice facilities, turf fields, weight rooms and other facilities. Schools also use charter schools, STEM and other academic offerings to attract students and the band may travel to some desirable band competition each year for all I know.

Take a look this Holiday season and see how many WI HS teams are travelling out of state for a bball tournament. You mean they can't find suitable competition here in WI? Or is it the glamour and allure of playing someplace warm and against some possible "known" school or "known" player from the coast? Do other players in the area look at that and think, "man, that would be cool to do that someday, I want to go to that school."  

I think we are well down the path of the schools and WIAA needing to ask themselves; what is the purpose of HS athletics and are we operating within that framework.
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kimberlymanager
Yeah this is absolutely happening in terms of facilities and the coaches know that good facilitates can influence what school parents choose for their kids.  It probably doesn't affect transfers too much for people already living in the area. However a family with a kid in middle school that just moved into the area and plays sports will consider these things.  It seems like it happens more in Basketball see Nicolet this year.  
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blade12
Yeah this is absolutely happening in terms of facilities and the coaches know that good facilitates can influence what school parents choose for their kids.  It probably doesn't affect transfers too much for people already living in the area. However a family with a kid in middle school that just moved into the area and plays sports will consider these things.  It seems like it happens more in Basketball see Nicolet this year.  


I'm not so sure that is entirely accurate.  Plenty of kids already in an area are bouncing around from school to school searching for playing time, to play with  better players and teams, play with friends, better facilities, more of a focus on bball, a coach they like better, the promise of being on varsity as a freshmen, better competition, and on and on.

I think it would be eye opening how many kids on current rosters have changed schools between 7th and 9th grade (unrestriucted by the WIAA). The Mark Miller article on transfers in the FVA was just the tip of the iceberg.
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kimberlymanager
blade12 wrote:


I'm not so sure that is entirely accurate.  Plenty of kids already in an area are bouncing around from school to school searching for playing time, to play with  better players and teams, play with friends, better facilities, more of a focus on bball, a coach they like better, the promise of being on varsity as a freshmen, better competition, and on and on.

I think it would be eye opening how many kids on current rosters have changed schools between 7th and 9th grade (unrestriucted by the WIAA). The Mark Miller article on transfers in the FVA was just the tip of the iceberg.


I can really only speak to my experience at Kimberly where this is one public middle school and almost everyone that went there went to Kimberly High School there was also a private school i believe most kids there would go to Kimberly also some would go to Xavier.  Granted Kimberly was 0-9 my 8th grade year the only player lost or gained that i can recall for Football was Chris DeBlois who followed Jorgensen from Oshkosh North for his Senior year and became a coach I also think there was a LB from Kaukauna named Hacker.  I'm pretty sure from 6th grade on most kids in Kimberly are playing football with the middle school i think they have a few teams per grade so unlike with AAU your really only playing with kids from your own school.
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Blade Blade


I can really only speak to my experience at Kimberly where this is one public middle school and almost everyone that went there went to Kimberly High School there was also a private school i believe most kids there would go to Kimberly also some would go to Xavier.  Granted Kimberly was 0-9 my 8th grade year the only player lost or gained that i can recall for Football was Chris DeBlois who followed Jorgensen from Oshkosh North for his Senior year and became a coach I also think there was a LB from Kaukauna named Hacker.  I'm pretty sure from 6th grade on most kids in Kimberly are playing football with the middle school i think they have a few teams per grade so unlike with AAU your really only playing with kids from your own school.


Kimberly is not immune to this, they have had kids move into the school.
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kimberlymanager
Blade Blade wrote:


Kimberly is not immune to this, they have had kids move into the school.


I'm not saying them are immune to it but during my experience i was in high school 2004-2008 and helped out with many sports and recruiting wasn't something that was common at the time.  Now it's been 10 years since i graduated my Junior year the team won conference for the FVA title for the first team they hadn't won a conference since 1969.  My senior year the team won state for the first time.  Things have changed I wouldn't doubt that parents are open enrolling into Kimberly without moving for the sake of the football team.  However to move entirely for just the purpose of joining the football program in Kimberly i doubt that this is happening very much.  
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blade12


I'm not saying them are immune to it but during my experience i was in high school 2004-2008 and helped out with many sports and recruiting wasn't something that was common at the time.  Now it's been 10 years since i graduated my Junior year the team won conference for the FVA title for the first team they hadn't won a conference since 1969.  My senior year the team won state for the first time.  Things have changed I wouldn't doubt that parents are open enrolling into Kimberly without moving for the sake of the football team.  However to move entirely for just the purpose of joining the football program in Kimberly i doubt that this is happening very much.  


I was speaking in more general terms including all sports and not only about FB.  There are some baseball kids that showed up in Kimberly the past couple of years.
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Wisconsin HS Sports Fan
blade12 wrote:


I was speaking in more general terms including all sports and not only about FB.  There are some baseball kids that showed up in Kimberly the past couple of years.


Just reading this now, but there really aren't many transfers that come into Kimberly that actually get playing time. Reed Miller in basketball this year is the first that I know of. As of baseball, not sure what you were talking about. Lechnir twins used to live in Oshkosh in middle school, but moved to Kimberly district before high school. No one else significant transferred in. There hasn't been any in football. 95% of the kids have been playing together since 6th grade. 
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blade12


Just reading this now, but there really aren't many transfers that come into Kimberly that actually get playing time. Reed Miller in basketball this year is the first that I know of. As of baseball, not sure what you were talking about. Lechnir twins used to live in Oshkosh in middle school, but moved to Kimberly district before high school. No one else significant transferred in. There hasn't been any in football. 95% of the kids have been playing together since 6th grade. 


Around the Fox valley area it is fairly well known that if you want to play at Kimberly in the future you should get into their schools and their youth program teams in 5th-8th grade or earlier and at least by early HS age - all of which are not subject to WIAA transfer rules.  It helps Kimberly that they are located where they are with lots of growth, they have an excellent academic reputation and they have really nice facilities.  All of those things attract families/kids to their schools.
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