kimberlymanager
https://journaltimes.com/sports/high-school/hayden-halter-disqualified/youtube_58c580ab-d843-5a66-80dd-58d26ae0bfb5.html

I saw this article about how this kid is being prevented from going to state because he questioned a call and then celebrated his victory.  Seems like a lot of nonsense to me.  
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db11
No slant in that headline either.
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banks93
Don't worry WSN will protect and be biased towards the WIAA and their stupid rulings.

What a joke just like not letting the DePere team wrestle last year.  This is why parents can't stand officiating and the WIAA.  Yet don't look Milwaukee Washington will have a felon playing in the tournament and Nicolet can bring anyone they want in to play basketball.
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Don't worry WSN will protect and be biased towards the WIAA and their stupid rulings.

What a joke just like not letting the DePere team wrestle last year.  This is why parents can't stand officiating and the WIAA.  Yet don't look Milwaukee Washington will have a felon playing in the tournament and Nicolet can bring anyone they want in to play basketball.


FWIW, I'm curious as to why this state champion wrestler would transfer to a neighboring school. 😎

We'll see how this plays out (https://journaltimes.com/sports/high-school/wrestling-controversy-there-might-still-be-hope-for-disqualified-hayden/article_e868d9cc-fd2b-5fdc-80cf-e10f8a62e660.html), but the initial article (headline since changed from what it had been, which was the title of the thread) insinuates the referee (the Racine St. Catherine's AD) was somehow biased towards the Union Grove wrestler because of the fact that he was a former UG administrator and coach.

The burden of proof seems a bit tough here, and the only "proof" the article showed was the coach claiming it was biased. As UG is a rival of Waterford, you do kind of wonder about what behind-the-scenes machinations may have happened in the past to lead the coach to make that claim, but the general public wouldn't have knowledge of that, and speculating is dangerous. It's a bit thin as it currently stands. Certainly poor journalism to boot.

Now onto the incident. The WIAA is only following the rules that are in place. It's not as if they phoned in and requested the official to make these calls. I will say, not sure why someone who has just won a match convincingly is complaining about a point awarded at the end of the match. He basically set himself up for the fall that came by flexing on the mat, which again, the wrestler can claim he was only flexing towards his dad, but every other eye in the building can and likely will interpret it differently.

That said, l'm not opposed to this being overturned. Much like the claims of bias, this does seem a bit thin for two unsportsmanlike calls but I'm no wrestling officiating expert by any means.

What's interesting is the kid seems to be the one handling it well...

Halter plans to use his disqualification as motivation for his next two years of high school and beyond.

“Moving forward, this won’t affect my career,” Halter said. “Mentally, it’s going to sting for a little while, but next year, I’m going to be better than ever; I’m going to come back and win a state championship.”

...while the parents are threatening lawsuits and the coach is whining about the official favoriting certain wrestlers.

Interesting societal commentary about the state of youth sports competition.
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blade12
If flexing where fans can see you do it gets you banned half the kids that dunk a basketball would be ineligible, probably some FB and VB players too.

I am also not sure why in a 7-1/7-2 match the bad call was worth questioning.

Slippery slope to overturn it.  Usually "officials calls are final."  Start retroactively changing that by going to the replay booth and you won't have officials for long. 
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banks93
Probably because his parents can afford to buy a new house or rent a duplex in order to move to a better wrestling town would be my guess.
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blade12
banks93 wrote:
Probably because his parents can afford to buy a new house or rent a duplex in order to move to a better wrestling town would be my guess.


That never happens. Clearly, the new school was a better fit. ðŸ˜œ
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Certainly information left out of the article that the player, parent, and coach conveniently forget to mention.
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Certainly information left out of the article that the player, parent, and coach conveniently forget to mention.


Were you at the match?  Did you get your information from the WIAA?
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banks93 wrote:


Were you at the match?  Did you get your information from the WIAA?

I'm people that knows people.
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Your information and speculation is no better than the reporter who wrote the story or anyone else who saw the video and is speculating on the situation.

The video clearly didn't show anything that was outrageous in the match to warrant two points given to the wrestler.  The video didn't show what happened after the match and I am sure it was probably not good if the coach, wrestler and the parents knew this would exclude the wrestler from repeating as a state champ.  Again the ref had some very thin skin and should not of done what he did from what I saw on the video in the link.

Nobody should have that kind of power over any underage kid expect the parents/guardian and the school district they attend.  The WIAA gets to play judge, jury and executioner with no recourse. 

By the time it makes it to court the regional is over.
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banks93 wrote:
Your information and speculation is no better than the reporter who wrote the story or anyone else who saw the video and is speculating on the situation.

The video clearly didn't show anything that was outrageous in the match to warrant two points given to the wrestler.  The video didn't show what happened after the match and I am sure it was probably not good if the coach, wrestler and the parents knew this would exclude the wrestler from repeating as a state champ.  Again the ref had some very thin skin and should not of done what he did from what I saw on the video in the link.

Nobody should have that kind of power over any underage kid expect the parents/guardian and the school district they attend.  The WIAA gets to play judge, jury and executioner with no recourse. 

By the time it makes it to court the regional is over.


Well, it is their tournament series after all.

WIAA left Long's punishment up to the school/district last year (and no surprise because of MPS' ball-dropping, they are revisiting that) and look what happened. Your viewpoint is contradictory, no?

One of the reasons some people are apt to defend the WIAA is because of how reflexive people can be with their dislike and blame towards the organization. A lot of it is borne out of ignorance. They're far from perfect, but hardly this draconian organization some wish they were to suit their narrative.
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blade12
Certainly information left out of the article that the player, parent, and coach conveniently forget to mention.


Is it too much to expect that any of the other side of the story becomes public?
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db11
blade12 wrote:


That never happens. Clearly, the new school was a better fit. Ã°Å¸ËœÅ“


Burlington and Waterford are about a horse-apiece when it comes to wrestling...
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blade12 wrote:


Is it too much to expect that any of the other side of the story becomes pubic?

The WIAA generally does not comment publicly on specific athlete discipline, eligibility, etc., and in many cases there are privacy laws in place that prohibit it anyways. For instance, during Board of Control meetings there are sometimes cases where students will appeal an eligibility decision or suspension or something and any media in the room are required to leave as it becomes a closed hearing.
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