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great series. Amazing travesty of justice.
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wiscopetty
I'm still fairly convinced that Avery is guilty, but the show definitely raises questions of how the police arrived at that conclusion. Brendan Dassey OTOH really couldn't understand the gravity of what he was admitting to.

I think a more interesting documentary would cover Avery's first case and subsequent exoneration.
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wiscopetty wrote:
I'm still fairly convinced that Avery is guilty, but the show definitely raises questions of how the police arrived at that conclusion. Brendan Dassey OTOH really couldn't understand the gravity of what he was admitting to.

I think a more interesting documentary would cover Avery's first case and subsequent exoneration.


Nice to see at least one level-headed person who's watched this exists on the internet.

Our culture scares me...for a crap-ton of reasons. Being easily convinced of anything is one of them. The way this thing is sweeping public opinion is quite frankly, frightening.

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Actually, most people that I have come across are pretty level headed about this. Odds are that Avery still did it, but there is this little thing called "reasonable doubt" that keeps getting in the way.

Not to mention, his nephew was railroaded into a confession which they HAD TO HAVE in order to have a case against Avery.
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This alleged "documentary" is so one-sided it is disgusting. A real documentary would provide facts, not conjecture and innuendo. It tells only one side of the case, mostly from the viewpoint of the people who think Avery is innocent. It is sad that nobody seems to be concerned with what happened to Teresa Hallbach, only that this sicko must have been railroaded, because in today's society that is what so many people believe all police officers do.
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This alleged "documentary" is so one-sided it is disgusting. A real documentary would provide facts, not conjecture and innuendo. It tells only one side of the case, mostly from the viewpoint of the people who think Avery is innocent. It is sad that nobody seems to be concerned with what happened to Teresa Hallbach, only that this sicko must have been railroaded, because in today's society that is what so many people believe all police officers do.


So the key just magically appeared on the floor, on the 5th time the trailer was searched? Fascinating.....
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The show is propaganda more than it is a documentary. Blatantly biased, with most opinions and emotional arguments coming from the accused. Key evidence presented at trial not included in the documentary as well. I agree with DB, it's scary how many people watched it without knowing or researching anything else about the murder and immediately began lobbying for Avery's innocence.
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kenny78 wrote:
This alleged "documentary" is so one-sided it is disgusting. A real documentary would provide facts, not conjecture and innuendo. It tells only one side of the case, mostly from the viewpoint of the people who think Avery is innocent. It is sad that nobody seems to be concerned with what happened to Teresa Hallbach, only that this sicko must have been railroaded, because in today's society that is what so many people believe all police officers do.


So the key just magically appeared on the floor, on the 5th time the trailer was searched? Fascinating.....


Possibly bad police work does not negate the guilt of Steve Avery who did to that young woman exactly what he had done to the family cat 20+ years earlier .








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db11 wrote:
wiscopetty wrote:
db11 wrote:
wiscopetty wrote:
I'm still fairly convinced that Avery is guilty, but the show definitely raises questions of how the police arrived at that conclusion. Brendan Dassey OTOH really couldn't understand the gravity of what he was admitting to.

I think a more interesting documentary would cover Avery's first case and subsequent exoneration.

Nice to see at least one level-headed person who's watched this exists on the internet.

Our culture scares me...for a crap-ton of reasons. Being easily convinced of anything is one of them.

"Fairly" was probably even too kind to Avery's case. Given his past, I'm like 98% sure he killed Halbach. Like I said, the documentary raises some interesting points, but I heard accusations of bias before watching the documentary, and unfortunately they were confirmed.

Right, the authorities certainly had a bone to pick with Avery, and there's certainly merit in what's presented (and if anyone paid attention, we all knew Kratz was a creep)...but, there's a huge difference in demanding a re-trial and outright stating that Avery and Dassey are 100% innocent.

The point I'd like to see people come to should be appropriate justice for Teresa Halbach. That might mean we still find out Avery and Dassey are 100% guilty...which is still the the likeliest scenario.

The argument should be for due process, not automatic exoneration. Man, I hate people...lol.
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The show is propaganda more than it is a documentary. Blatantly biased, with most opinions and emotional arguments coming from the accused. Key evidence presented at trial not included in the documentary as well. I agree with DB, it's scary how many people watched it without knowing or researching anything else about the murder and immediately began lobbying for Avery's innocence.

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kenny78 wrote:
This alleged "documentary" is so one-sided it is disgusting. A real documentary would provide facts, not conjecture and innuendo. It tells only one side of the case, mostly from the viewpoint of the people who think Avery is innocent. It is sad that nobody seems to be concerned with what happened to Teresa Hallbach, only that this sicko must have been railroaded, because in today's society that is what so many people believe all police officers do.

So the key just magically appeared on the floor, on the 5th time the trailer was searched? Fascinating.....

Possibly bad police work does not negate the guilt of Steve Avery who did to that young woman exactly what he had done to the family cat 20+ years earlier .

Good points.

While I don't know in which parts of the state all of you live, I do know Kenny and I live in proximity to the scene of the crime. And, it is interesting that an over-whelming majority of folks living in the Green Bay, Manitowoc, Appleton areas who followed this case closely, believe Avery is guilty of Ms Halbach's murder.

As some of you have mentioned, "documentary" is a very loose and weak description of this series, as the series basically is making an argument for Avery's innocence. The series does not provide an unbiased presentation of both sides of the story as a true documentary would.

The power of suggestion .... much like the rhetoric spewed forth by hopeful political candidates and court-room attorneys .... including, but not limited to: innuendo, deception, omission, heavy doses of spin, misleading facts and half-truths, etc. ..... can be very compelling & convincing.
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I agree with the proximity thing. I mean, I'm from the area. Grew up going to the salvage yard many times. Related to people on the prosecution side of the trial. If you even bring up reasonable doubt, people get pissed at you. It was like that for the first trial. He was "100% guilty", with a "100% positive" ID from the victim. I mean, that turned out well, right? But, thankfully, we have all of these people with internet law degrees to clear things up for everyone.
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kenny78 wrote:
This alleged "documentary" is so one-sided it is disgusting. A real documentary would provide facts, not conjecture and innuendo. It tells only one side of the case, mostly from the viewpoint of the people who think Avery is innocent. It is sad that nobody seems to be concerned with what happened to Teresa Hallbach, only that this sicko must have been railroaded, because in today's society that is what so many people believe all police officers do.


So the key just magically appeared on the floor, on the 5th time the trailer was searched? Fascinating.....


Possibly bad police work does not negate the guilt of Steve Avery who did to that young woman exactly what he had done to the family cat 20+ years earlier .


Thing is, it was not "bad police work" as the reason the key was not found. The key was found on the 5th search because it was planted there on the 5th search. There really is no other explanation.

Looks like the group Anonymous is set to release some findings tomorrow also. Yes....Anonymous is now involved in this joke of an investigation.
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Dead 23-year old woman, keys, DNA in multiple locations, bones, bullets, cars, admissions of guilt, all planted!!!!!!!
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wiscopetty
db11 wrote:
wiscopetty wrote:
I'm still fairly convinced that Avery is guilty, but the show definitely raises questions of how the police arrived at that conclusion. Brendan Dassey OTOH really couldn't understand the gravity of what he was admitting to.

I think a more interesting documentary would cover Avery's first case and subsequent exoneration.


Nice to see at least one level-headed person who's watched this exists on the internet.

Our culture scares me...for a crap-ton of reasons. Being easily convinced of anything is one of them.

"Fairly" was probably even too kind to Avery's case. Given his past, I'm like 98% sure he killed Halbach. Like I said, the documentary raises some interesting points, but I heard accusations of bias before watching the documentary, and unfortunately they were confirmed.
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db11
wiscopetty wrote:
db11 wrote:
wiscopetty wrote:
I'm still fairly convinced that Avery is guilty, but the show definitely raises questions of how the police arrived at that conclusion. Brendan Dassey OTOH really couldn't understand the gravity of what he was admitting to.

I think a more interesting documentary would cover Avery's first case and subsequent exoneration.


Nice to see at least one level-headed person who's watched this exists on the internet.

Our culture scares me...for a crap-ton of reasons. Being easily convinced of anything is one of them.

"Fairly" was probably even too kind to Avery's case. Given his past, I'm like 98% sure he killed Halbach. Like I said, the documentary raises some interesting points, but I heard accusations of bias before watching the documentary, and unfortunately they were confirmed.


Right, the authorities certainly had a bone to pick with Avery, and there's certainly merit in what's presented (and if anyone paid attention, we all knew Kratz was a creep)...but, there's a huge difference in demanding a re-trial and outright stating that Avery and Dassey are 100% innocent.

The point I'd like to see people come to should be appropriate justice for Teresa Halbach. That might mean we still find out Avery and Dassey are 100% guilty...which is still the the likeliest scenario.

The argument should be for due process, not automatic exoneration. Man, I hate people...lol.
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Question for those who know/ are pretty sure he is guilty:

Let me preface this by stating that I am someone who is coming at this with no prior knowledge about the case, started with the doc, and then went about reading about the principle characters online.

For those that are sure Steven did it, what gives you that certainty, and how did he do it? I think it is fair to say that if the Dassy story were true, there would be pools of dna all over the house, and if she were shot in the garage, there would be splatter dna all over that junk, so what evidence did the doc leave out that would reinforce either of those two theories or point in the direction of a more plausible theory?


Just someone here trying to make sense of this deal, and thanks in advance for the responses.
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