swimbikeron
http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatistics/PDF/2015-16_Sports_Participation_Survey.pdf

Participants
1. Track and Field ? Outdoor 485,969
2. Volleyball 436,309
3. Basketball 429,380

Archive of past years: http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatics/ParticipationStatics.aspx/
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swimbikeron wrote:
http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatistics/PDF/2015-16_Sports_Participation_Survey.pdf

Participants
1. Track and Field ? Outdoor 485,969
2. Volleyball 436,309
3. Basketball 429,380

Archive of past years: http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatics/ParticipationStatics.aspx/

Not sure how much vice versa there is, but it seems like if you're a v-ball player of any stature, in a lot of cases, you're no longer playing basketball in HS.

The girl at Newman comes to mind.
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db11 wrote:
swimbikeron wrote:
http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatistics/PDF/2015-16_Sports_Participation_Survey.pdf

Participants
1. Track and Field ? Outdoor 485,969
2. Volleyball 436,309
3. Basketball 429,380

Archive of past years: http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatics/ParticipationStatics.aspx/


Not sure how much vice versa there is, but it seems like if you're a v-ball player of any stature, in a lot of cases, you're no longer playing basketball in HS.

The girl at Newman comes to mind.

I am not the least bit surprised the numbers are trending that way. I expect them to continue to trend toward vball.
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hueby
This is interesting data. Do high school volleyball coaches have a high turnover rate like basketball coaches do? You know...to spend more time with their families?

Just don't hear about them if they do. Unless they don't get the media coverage like basketball coaches?
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blade12
buzzerbeater2 wrote:
No doubt on that. Club volleyball coaches are brutal. Oh, you want even a chance of making your HS team next fall? Step on the basketball court and that chance is gone. It really sucks. I always encouraged all basketball kids to play as many sports as possible, with good relationships between all sports coaches. Now, we're losing kids because of club threats.


I think a large part of this is that club vball season is during HS bball. So you could have a club vball coach that takes the approach of "if you have conflicts with bball during our season, I won't take you."

Not sure the WIAA or HS can do much about it. A HS could keep the club coaches from using their HS facilities. The WIAA could probably more vigorously enforce their out of season rules.

I don't hear much about Vball coaches leaving for family time. I am sure it happens but Vball does not get the media coverage that FB and Bball do.



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hueby wrote:
This is interesting data. Do high school volleyball coaches have a high turnover rate like basketball coaches do? You know...to spend more time with their families?

Just don't hear about them if they do. Unless they don't get the media coverage like basketball coaches?



I have reffed Volleyball for the last 8 years or so. I can tell you that in my experience...the turnover is a lot less. I think last 3 years of the teams I have reffed for more than one year only 7 have had new coaches. This is about 40-50 teams too considering I do every Tuesday and Thursday and most Saturdays in the fall.
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blade12
coach40 wrote:
hueby wrote:
This is interesting data. Do high school volleyball coaches have a high turnover rate like basketball coaches do? You know...to spend more time with their families?

Just don't hear about them if they do. Unless they don't get the media coverage like basketball coaches?



I have reffed Volleyball for the last 8 years or so. I can tell you that in my experience...the turnover is a lot less. I think last 3 years of the teams I have reffed for more than one year only 7 have had new coaches. This is about 40-50 teams too considering I do every Tuesday and Thursday and most Saturdays in the fall.


I wonder if the outside pressures and expectations of boys parents vs girls parents is a factor in turnover.
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coach40
blade12 wrote:
coach40 wrote:
hueby wrote:
This is interesting data. Do high school volleyball coaches have a high turnover rate like basketball coaches do? You know...to spend more time with their families?

Just don't hear about them if they do. Unless they don't get the media coverage like basketball coaches?



I have reffed Volleyball for the last 8 years or so. I can tell you that in my experience...the turnover is a lot less. I think last 3 years of the teams I have reffed for more than one year only 7 have had new coaches. This is about 40-50 teams too considering I do every Tuesday and Thursday and most Saturdays in the fall.


I wonder if the outside pressures and expectations of boys parents vs girls parents is a factor in turnover.


I think it is. Sometimes I think Volleyball is easier to maintain success too
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No doubt on that. Club volleyball coaches are brutal. Oh, you want even a chance of making your HS team next fall? Step on the basketball court and that chance is gone. It really sucks. I always encouraged all basketball kids to play as many sports as possible, with good relationships between all sports coaches. Now, we're losing kids because of club threats.
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A few observations and comments.

I suspect that the volleyball participation numbers are higher in the underclass programs (freshmen and JV) than basketball which would account for the relative difference in numbers. I know from my experiences with club vb, that participation numbers generally peak at the 15 year old level. I'm not sure what it is for girls bb, but it I would have to think the peak is somewhere around 5th or 6th grade. Traveling teams in basketball start much earlier than volleyball. So what you find is that in basketball the attrition starts earlier. A lot of girls don't start playing competitive volleyball until middle school and club ball until high school. And for many of them, they've already done basketball for 5 years and are looking for something new. So what often happens is that a school may have just a freshmen and JV basketball team and 2 freshmen and one JV volleyball team. Or just a JV basketball team but a freshmen and JV volleyball team. I don't see a huge discrepancy in roster sizes at the varsity level.

I do think you will see more high level basketball players that also play volleyball rather than the other way around. I've heard some of the high level clubs in Illinois require their players not to play other sports during club season.
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hueby
coach40 wrote:
blade12 wrote:
coach40 wrote:
hueby wrote:
This is interesting data. Do high school volleyball coaches have a high turnover rate like basketball coaches do? You know...to spend more time with their families?

Just don't hear about them if they do. Unless they don't get the media coverage like basketball coaches?



I have reffed Volleyball for the last 8 years or so. I can tell you that in my experience...the turnover is a lot less. I think last 3 years of the teams I have reffed for more than one year only 7 have had new coaches. This is about 40-50 teams too considering I do every Tuesday and Thursday and most Saturdays in the fall.


I wonder if the outside pressures and expectations of boys parents vs girls parents is a factor in turnover.


I think it is. Sometimes I think Volleyball is easier to maintain success too


Thanks I was curious if since it was more "fun" that kept the coaching turn over low & also participation higher. fb30 post looks like good info too have to read it []
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swimbikeron wrote:
http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatistics/PDF/2015-16_Sports_Participation_Survey.pdf

Participants
1. Track and Field ? Outdoor 485,969
2. Volleyball 436,309
3. Basketball 429,380

Archive of past years: http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatics/ParticipationStatics.aspx/

Been trending that way for years:

At SPASH

Volleyball, 5 teams with 69 girls out. (after cuts)
Basketball, 3 teams with 34 girls out, 1 senior (no cuts)
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blade12
swimbikeron wrote:
blade12 wrote:

Not sure the WIAA or HS can do much about it. A HS could keep the club coaches from using their HS facilities. The WIAA could probably more vigorously enforce their out of season rules.



Our club has no connection to a HS and doesn't use their facilities. And some clubs have their own facilities, like the Milwaukee Sting, 8 Olympic courts, weight rooms, concessions, the whole 9 yards.

http://www.milwaukeesting.com/page/show/2794060?referrer_id=


Looks like a very nice facility.
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blade12
swimbikeron wrote:
buzzerbeater2 wrote:
No doubt on that. Club volleyball coaches are brutal. Oh, you want even a chance of making your HS team next fall? Step on the basketball court and that chance is gone. It really sucks. I always encouraged all basketball kids to play as many sports as possible, with good relationships between all sports coaches. Now, we're losing kids because of club threats.


I coach BB and am involved with our youth BB program, and coach Club VB.

I've heard many more BB coaches discourage club than I've heard VB coaches discourage BB, and have never heard outright threats, so I'm a little skeptical. Maybe it happens at the high end. BB coaches at least have a point, they don't want their in-season athletes getting injured.

Plus I think it's a fair expectation that the in-season sport trumps AAU/Club tournaments. I personally had 2 players leave club in the middle of a championship match to drive back for a make up basketball game. Never a question.


I think that is due to the timing of the seasons.

I would imagine many HS bball coaches have to have the conversation about kids playing club vball during the HS bball season and what their expectations are for attendance at bball practices and games and the possibility of injury/fatigue doing something other than HS Bball at the same time. Just having to have that conversation probably leaves some with the impression that the bball coach doesn't want you doing both and can probably get misconstrued as "don't do it."
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coach40
swimbikeron wrote:
blade12 wrote:

Not sure the WIAA or HS can do much about it. A HS could keep the club coaches from using their HS facilities. The WIAA could probably more vigorously enforce their out of season rules.



Our club has no connection to a HS and doesn't use their facilities. And some clubs have their own facilities, like the Milwaukee Sting, 8 Olympic courts, weight rooms, concessions, the whole 9 yards.

http://www.milwaukeesting.com/page/show/2794060?referrer_id=


Ok So I want to ask a serious question....

Do you ever turn a kid away? Or is it the concept "You have money you can play?"

This is not meant to be a knock but I have watched kids go play club who were no better after playing. This is from walking away from a sport to "be better".

Maybe I see it as the same as AAU in that kids are never turned away and will always have a spot. It becomes all about money!
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