cameroncrazies02
Some rumblings have gone around the Bucks are trying to trade Henson or Teletovic.  Both of those contracts aren't favorable and there aren't many buyers right now.  The Bucks would have to attach a 1st round pick to the deal in the same realm the Raptors traded Demarre Carroll to BKN and had to give them an 18' 1st and 2nd to get the deal done.  I wouldn't be in favor of that right now.  But it has to be in response to a Jabari extension.  I think it'd be shortsighted as a Jabari extension wouldn't kick in until next season and a lot can happen between now and then.

The Bucks roster is just about set.  One roster spot remains open to: Gerald Green, Gary Payton II, Joel Anthony, and Brandon Rush.  It seems to be down to Green and Rush.  GPII is likely to get waived and signed to their G-League on a 2-way contract and Anthony was brought in as a camp body.  The others that were signed and have been sent packing were Kendall Marshall and Xavier Munford.  Marshall showed his ability to pass the rock during some pre-season, but his inability to defend, shoot or even get around guys was problematic and he was released.

PG-Brogdon, Dellevadova
SG-Middleton, Vaughn, Brown, Terry
SF-Snell, Teletovic
PF-Giannis, Wilson
C-Maker, Monroe, Henson

That's 13, leaving 1 roster spot open.  (I thought 15 could be carried, but it may be 14).  My guess would be Green gets the spot and moves to the SF rotation.  We're awfully thin at PF, but Snell and Telly can play PF in a pinch.  Continuity has been something the coaches have been praising.  The Bucks stayed relatively the same.  Albeit, they tried to make things happen.  This team played well the 2nd half of the season.  Another year of Giannis and Thon development, guys comfortably finding their position like Monroe fully embracing the 6th man role and Vaughn coming on strong as a shooter/scorer as he's proven all summer means this team should be even better.  Kidd is always tinkering with his rotation, but there's not much to tinker with.  Brogdon, Middleton, Snell, Giannis and Maker will start.  Monroe, Delly, Vaughn and Telly will likely be the bench platoon.  Telly and Wilson could swap spots depending on their play on the floor, but I don't think Wilson's ready yet.  That'll leave Brown, Terry, Wilson and Henson as towel waivers.  
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I think Parker would make the 14th guaranteed sport leaving the 15th open to one of the 4 remaining. I am thinking the same as you, Green will be the 15th and them GPII will be a 2 way.   
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Sounds as if Richard Jefferson will be signed today or tomorrow.  I am not sure how he gets brought in without doing something to rid some salary - apparently Vaughn or Henson continue to be shopped along with a 2nd round pick.  With Jefferson being 37 - he won't see a ton of minutes - but will team with Jason Terry to be a veteran leader.  I would rather see Vaughn sent out and keep Henson around.  The roster is thin on bigs and Henson has played some key minutes.
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gstacy
anyone see the game last night? did they win?
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Bucks won 108-100 over the Celtics. The big dude for the Bucks had 37 points and 13 rebounds. K. Irving had a poor shooting game for the Celts - I think he shot 7 for 28 or so. Bucks looked decent to me, but I didnt watch too much of the game. Looked over the stats after the game mostly.
Celtics are really going to miss the guy who got hurt against Cleveland. Tatum for the Celts is going to be GOOD!

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Let the overreaction begin on Giannis for MVP.
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thecrackerjack wrote:
Let the overreaction begin on Giannis for MVP.


Overreaction? How would it be an overreaction?
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It's only 3 games.  And we have to remember that.  But I've watched almost every game since Giannis was drafted.  I became more disinterested in the year they got the #2 pick about half way through the year and missed quite a few games, but when the tank was really in full go, I watched those like playoff games!  That is to say I've watched a lot of Giannis.  I've never wanted to say it.  But in the past, including at points last year, I thought Giannis was going to be capped as far as his abilities go.  He can only dribble and shoot so well and he takes losing and bad performances REALLY hard.  Too hard sometimes.  Watching these first three games, his game has been so much more under control and so much more confident.  And he's shooting jumpers even less.  He made his first jumper tonight of the season and he's still averaging 37ish points per game through the first three.

This is what Bucks fans have been waiting for.  We suffered through such horrendous mismanagement.  Suffered through the chronic trading for over the hill low level "stars" that they tried to force feed us.  We tried to talk ourselves into 2nd round picks like Jodie Meek, Darington Hobson, and many others.  We've had to watch Jabari tear his ACL twice and our one year wonder team get derailed by a freak Bogut arm injury.  We've had to wait for Giannis.  But it has all been worth it.  And to think, we're paying him way less than the current max for the next four years.  A lot of work has to be done.  This roster isn't constructed to win it all and Giannis needs a lot more help.  But that kid is special.  
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Yeah, I was at the game last night, and it was truly a special performance by #34.

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gstacy wrote:


Overreaction? How would it be an overreaction?


It was only one game, but now that he's had 3 spectacular performances, I'm on board [biggrin]
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Through 6 games the Bucks are 4-2.  With such a tough start against BOS twice, POR and CLE, you have to be happy with that record.  Some things I've noticed thus far.

-Giannis is truly an MVP candidate.  Holy crap has he been good.  His offense is similar, he's going to try to get to the rim every time, he'll occasionally take a jumper and he makes every point look easy.  But there have been some subtle differences.  He has been incredibly patient this season.  At times when he really wanted a bucket in the past, he would drive recklessly into the paint and try to draw contact and either get blocked or badly miss.  He's almost taken that out of his game completely.  He doesn't settle for crap shots and he's been so much more smooth when getting to the rim.  That's a big reason why he's shooting 63% from the field.  His passing has been supreme, he's going after every rebound and generally making everything look easy.  This is the type of season a 25 PPG night is going to seem meh.  What is a bit concerning is his perimeter defense.  He's never been a great 1 on 1 defender, but he's been isolated more the last few games and teams are going to take advantage of that.  I fear it's going to become a thing, switching him onto smaller guards and letting them try to get by him.  

-Khris Middleton is forcing it.  I don't know what's up with him this year, but his shooting percentages are horrible and he's taking the flow out of the offense completely.  Giannis scored a quick 12 in 4 minutes against ATL yesterday and suddenly Middleton took over in iso-ball.  He's almost just trying to get his.  He was most effective when the offense just came to him.  All of a sudden he'd have 22 points in the past without even knowing it.  Now is completely different.  I think that'll get better.  What you haven't seen from him this year is his post up game.  He's so good on iso post ups, he can turn around and make off balance shots, but he's just not doing it yet.  What's most concerning is his perimeter defense.  It's not that he's a bad defender, in the past he's actually been really good.  But it's an effort thing right now.  He'll right the ship.  

-Thon Maker has almost gotten worse.  I can't put my finger on it, but he's out of position, not doing a very good rebounding and his interior defense has been bad.  He's not getting his block numbers and his 3P shooting is in his head.  He's left wide open a lot and he'll make it occasionally, so I don't have a problem with him taking it but he's Giannis circa 2015.  When Giannis was feeling it, you saw the flashes.  He was everywhere on the court.  When he was missing and playing poorly, it was written all over his face.  Thon is a flow player.  When he gets a big block or gets a big dunk, he wants it right back.

-John Henson has been the second best player on the team.  No knock on Middleton, but his effect he has on the floor, especially defensively, has been phenomenal.  I like him in his bench role where he still gets 25 MPG.  He comes off the bench and provides a much needed spark.  He's not going to score a lot of points, but when he gets space on the interior, his hook is automatic.  And he's up to 3.4 blocks per game per 48.  

-Rotations are still weird-this is an effect of Jason Kidd.  Diener is going to ballistic on this topic and probably break his phone at some point.  But he's still working out the kinks.  He's pretty set on his top 8.  Brogdon, Snell, Middleton, Giannis and Thon will start, Henson, Telly and Delly will come off the bench.  Whether he plays Vaughn or Liggins is where it gets weird.  I'd love to see more Vaughn for Brogdon substitutions because Delly drives me nuts and takes the flow out of the offense completely.  Let Giannis run the point and space the floor with Vaughn, Middleton and Snell.  But Kidd is such a big PG guy he always wants to have Delly or Brogdon on the court.
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Maybe its time to trade Henson?
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Monroe out a couple weeks with a calf injury.

A blessing in disguise?
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db11 wrote:
Monroe out a couple weeks with a calf injury.

A blessing in disguise?


Not saying it will be like this all year but so far this season it would be a bigger blessing if it was Middleton out for a couple weeks
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Middleton finally came around last game against the Hornets scoring 43 points and the Bucks totaled 19 three pointers made.  But they lost with their defense.  Mostly because Malik Monk went crazy early in the 4th and the Bucks were playing catch up.  The biggest issue right now is two-fold-the Bucks don't have a second consistent playmaker behind Giannis.  Middleton has been streaky and Brogdon is a complimentary player.  Second, the interior defense has been atrocious.  They can't guard the pick and roll at all and Thon has regressed badly.  But they don't have another option outside of Henson who's shot blocking has been good, but mobile defense is awful.

I'd love a deal where the Bucks send Monroe, Delly and one of Vaughn/Brown and a 2018 1st to PHX for Bledsoe and Chandler.  You're upgrading almost everywhere while giving up two assets.  For PHX, they immediately cut out Chandler's contract next season.  They get to go really young playing Chriss, Len and Bender.  Delly's contract is a bit of a burden but he's a stop gap PG for them and they get another pick.  The Bucks upgrade PG significantly and roll with Bledsoe, Snell, Middleton, Giannis, Chandler with Brogdon, Telly, Henson, Vaughn and Liggins off the bench.  Thon goes back to focusing on getting better.  And when Jabari comes back, you can bring in Jabari and Brogdon off the bench-a huge need.

Bledsoe's value isn't getting any better and every day that goes by, PHX is losing assets in trade value.  The Pistons are reportedly interested and want to trade Reggie Jackson, but PHX doesn't want him and want a 3rd team involved.  They're not going to find that 3rd team to take him on and give PHX the assets the Bucks would.
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