amped0808
We've apparently maxed out the first thread here. Here is number two.

We have some controversy in East Lansing as Michigan was doing their State Finals for Boys Basketball. Iron Mountain is up 52-51 over Pewamo-Westphalia. Pewamo inbounds the ball and IM goes to foul (PW was not in the bonus) only to have the referee call the foul intentional with .7 left. P-W drains both free throws and wins the game 53-52.  Just wondering what would've been the right call in this case. Yes Yooperland is quite enraged over this.

Video:

Travel call: https://twitter.com/B_DEROUIN/status/1107042010790268934
Intentional Foul: https://twitter.com/B_DEROUIN/status/1107041695751983105
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db11
I really don't know about that travel, which unfortunately begat the next call...

The intentional foul though appears correct. Can't bearhug a kid trying a halfcourt heave.
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From what I saw on twitter the defender was trying to poke the ball away. They had to fouls to give, just give a defender a whack and no damage should have come of it.
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whitehat7

It's really tight.

It *might* be a travel.

I simply can't tell if the player fully possesses the ball in the air or with his right foot on the floor.  If he catches (and fully possesses) in the air, the first foot down (left) is the pivot, the right is a legal step, the pivot never returns.  Legal.

For this to be a travel, the official needs to see possession with the right foot down.  When it comes back down a second time, that's when the travel occurs.  I'm attaching a screenshot of the frame where possession may or may not have occurred.  It's really tight and if it's this tight, it's best to stay off it, IMO.  It's even better to stay off it when...

The trail that calls this has the third best look on the play.   The lead is standing right there with a great look.  The center has an open look as well.  The crew's gotta live or die with the lead's call or no call here.

The INT foul looks like a bearhug and it's hard to not call that INT.  Unless of course you call something while the ball's in the backcourt.  When a team is trying to foul, any contact is a foul - get the first one. 2019-03-17_09-39-06.png 

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kenny78
I can't fathom any way that is a travel. If it is then virtually every one of the dunks that happen on a fast break are also a travel. As for the bear hug, not really the smart play out near half court. However, if the travel is not called then there is no need for the foul.
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eaglepride1
To me it is a clear travel, but I can see the point of Whitehat7 about "when does player control ball". By rule I believe I'd call that a travel though.
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traviswilson
eaglepride1 wrote:
To me it is a clear travel, but I can see the point of Whitehat7 about "when does player control ball". By rule I believe I'd call that a travel though.

It comes down to the left foot. If you rule his left foot is on the ground when he catches the ball, it is not a travel. If you feel it is off the ground, then it is a travel. It's tough to say exactly based on the quality of the video posted online, but I'd lean towards the foot being down. That has been the sentiment among most officials I've seen discussing it.

However, the larger issue is the call was not made by the official standing right there, who's primary responsibility that is. The call was made by an official running in from halfcourt, approximately 50 feet away, who would normally not have responsibility to make calls in that area. Overruling your partner outside your primary area is pretty much a cardinal sin in officiating. Especially on a call that was extremely close, but also extremely significant.
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Yeah. That all makes sense. As you say, a judgment call like that, with that kind of significance, should probably be made by the official who's "area" it is. Too bad the kid didn't have Forrest as a coach, then he'd have dribbled once for that two-foot stop and there'd be no issue. 🙂
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