voiceofreason
I remember there was a thread like this a while back, but I'm too lazy to dig it up right now.

So, refs on the board (whistleblower?) -- here's one for you.

What's the correct call? This happened in the game tonight. It had absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the game... just provided an interesting scenerio I've never seen before.

Team A has the ball on offense. Team B has 9 team fouls.

Team A throws up a 3-pointer. As the ball is in the air, ref blows a whistle for a foul on Team B - not on the defender playing the shooter, but in other action away from the shooter.

3-pointer goes in. Bucket counts (no question here).

Here's the question... what should have been awarded for the foul on Team B?

1) Team A shoots the double bonus - two shots
2) Since the 3-pointer went in, Team A shoots an "and one" (bonus)
3) other? (We thought those were the only 2 possibilities, but maybe there's something we're missing.)
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highlightfilm
I'm not an official but stayed at a Holiday Inn Express and believe since the shot had left the shooters hands when the off ball foul occured, the basket counts and Team A shoots a double bonus since the foul was Team B's tenth. It's not an and one because the foul was not on the shooter.
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faststew
DB wrote:
As someone who played on a team that once gave up two 5-point plays in a single game([] ), highlightfilm is correct.

Amazingly unlucky [:@]
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hoopdreamswi
I'd like to hear others' takes on this finish. It's a college game and deals with the shot clock, but I'm sure you'll see the issue. Shot clock appears to expire on an airball three-pointer, but offensive team still gets two chances to put in the game-winner.

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As someone who played on a team that once gave up two 5-point plays in a single game([] ), highlightfilm is correct.
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highlightfilm wrote:
I'm not an official but stayed at a Holiday Inn Express and believe since the shot had left the shooters hands when the off ball foul occured, the basket counts and Team A shoots a double bonus since the foul was Team B's tenth. It's not an and one because the foul was not on the shooter.


I see what you did there lol.
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db11
faststew wrote:
DB wrote:
As someone who played on a team that once gave up two 5-point plays in a single game([] ), highlightfilm is correct.

Amazingly unlucky [:@]


Eh, when you run through the double screen to get to the shooter instead of around it, it's bound to happen.

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hoopdreams_wi wrote:
I'd like to hear others' takes on this finish. It's a college game and deals with the shot clock, but I'm sure you'll see the issue. Shot clock appears to expire on an airball three-pointer, but offensive team still gets two chances to put in the game-winner.



Inexcusable. And with obvious video evidence, I hope suspensions were handed down to the officials.
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faststew
I got a question. Team A has the ball and shoots a 3 pointer and makes it. Team B is called for a Flagrant or technical foul on the shooter while in the act of shooting. Does the kid on team A get the foul shot plus 2 extras for the flagrant or what? I seen it happen awhile ago but, the shot didnt go in and team A shot 3 free throws and they got the ball out of bounds. Is that correct? If so there could be a 6pt play but, im not sure?
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faststew wrote:
I got a question. Team A has the ball and shoots a 3 pointer and makes it. Team B is called for a Flagrant or technical foul on the shooter while in the act of shooting. Does the kid on team A get the foul shot plus 2 extras for the flagrant or what? I seen it happen awhile ago but, the shot didnt go in and team A shot 3 free throws and they got the ball out of bounds. Is that correct? If so there could be a 6pt play but, im not sure?


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whistleblower1
1. Highlightfilm is correct on VoR's question. Take the result of the play and award the double bonus to the offended player.

2. I am embarrased to watch the piece of game film.

3. Now on to fastew's question. When a team is called for a intentional/flagrant foul, the offended team gets two free throws and the ball for a spot throw-in nearest the spot the foul occured. The outcome of the play stands. The exception is if the intentional/flagrant foul occurs during an unsuccessful 3-point try, the player is awarded 3 free throws plus the ball.
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faststew
hoopdreams_wi wrote:
I'd like to hear others' takes on this finish. It's a college game and deals with the shot clock, but I'm sure you'll see the issue. Shot clock appears to expire on an airball three-pointer, but offensive team still gets two chances to put in the game-winner.


CLEARLY, the time ran out and the buzzer sounded late unless, theres something wrong with my ipad[] Wow they got robbed. Maybe heres one benifit of having 3 refs, because the 2 i saw didnt have a clue. You would think especially in closing moments of the game the refs would be "dialed in". Back to reffing middle school girls basketball you go!
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faststew
whistleblower wrote:
faststew wrote:
hoopdreams_wi wrote:
I'd like to hear others' takes on this finish. It's a college game and deals with the shot clock, but I'm sure you'll see the issue. Shot clock appears to expire on an airball three-pointer, but offensive team still gets two chances to put in the game-winner.


CLEARLY, the time ran out and the buzzer sounded late unless, theres something wrong with my ipad[] Wow they got robbed. Maybe heres one benifit of having 3 refs, because the 2 i saw didnt have a clue. You would think especially in closing moments of the game the refs would be "dialed in". Back to reffing middle school girls basketball you go!


I'm not sure if it's your iPad that there's something wrong with, but here's my take after watching the video several times: The shot clock expired before the offense had a shot attempt hit the rim, therefore there was a shot clock violation. The ball should be put in play by a throw in by the team in black with about 2 seconds left on the clock. The game clock expired about two seconds after the shot clock. One of the three officials (if not all) should have recognized that the shot clock expired. I would like to know what they talked about during their huddle.

I couldnt see the scoreboard timer but i counted the seconds down. IMO the game clock expired before any shots were taken and the buzzer/backboard light was late. I just looked once i could be wrong.
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travis12
I didn't even hear the shot clock go off the first two times I listened to it. It's a different sound than the regular horn. I've never seen that before. Was that the normal sound for the shot clock at that facility or was it a malfunction that caused the refs not to realize it was the shot clock going off?
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