mickjagger
Following a re-shuffle after teams finished their spring practices, the UW Badger football team has moved up from #5 to #3 in USA Today's pre-season rankings.

Bucky returns 15 starters from 2017's 13-1 team which defeated Miami (FL) in the Orange Bowl.

Alabama is ranked #1, followed by Clemson at #2.

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safetysqueezepleezzee11
mickjagger wrote:
Following a re-shuffle after teams finished their spring practices, the UW Badger football team has moved up from #5 to #3 in USA Today's pre-season rankings.

Bucky returns 15 starters from 2017's 13-1 team which defeated Miami (FL) in the Orange Bowl.

Alabama is ranked #1, followed by Clemson at #2.

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                    I think Wisconsin will be a good team, but they are basically assuming that Wisconsin will go 13-0; which is an insane assumption with the players the team has lost on defense. Unless you are counting the punter and the placekicker, they are losing AT least 6 guys who started on defense(I actually think they lose more than 6). Playing AT Michigan, AT PennState, AT Iowa, and AT Northwestern(who always give the fits), I have a hard time seeing next years team being that good. Unless Wisconsin had guys sitting on the bench on the defensive side that were good enough to start at 'most' places, I don't know how the defense approaches what it did the past 2-3 years. As good as their offense played at times, the won games because of their defense the last few years. It is nice to see the team taken seriously, but I don't think they should be ranked #3 going into next season.
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elsmith4
 This is all under the assumption that their loaded offense scores enough points to fill the void of those 5-6 key defensive contributors from last season.   Who knows, we could see a new defensive player break out this year, such as Scott Nelson, or one of the fresh/soph corners.  It will be crucial for Hornibrook and Taylor to have less turnovers this season and if so, the offense just might be a juggernaut.

My bold prediction is that the Badgers will finish the season with 1 loss, with that 1 loss either being at Michigan or Penn State.  Too early to see who would definitively win the B1G Championship as we have to see how the East shapes up.  Curious to see how OSU does with Haskins and a bunch of new defensive players.  



                    I think Wisconsin will be a good team, but they are basically assuming that Wisconsin will go 13-0; which is an insane assumption with the players the team has lost on defense. Unless you are counting the punter and the placekicker, they are losing AT least 6 guys who started on defense(I actually think they lose more than 6). Playing AT Michigan, AT PennState, AT Iowa, and AT Northwestern(who always give the fits), I have a hard time seeing next years team being that good. Unless Wisconsin had guys sitting on the bench on the defensive side that were good enough to start at 'most' places, I don't know how the defense approaches what it did the past 2-3 years. As good as their offense played at times, the won games because of their defense the last few years. It is nice to see the team taken seriously, but I don't think they should be ranked #3 going into next season.
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safetysqueezepleezzee11
elsmith4 wrote:
 This is all under the assumption that their loaded offense scores enough points to fill the void of those 5-6 key defensive contributors from last season.   Who knows, we could see a new defensive player break out this year, such as Scott Nelson, or one of the fresh/soph corners.  It will be crucial for Hornibrook and Taylor to have less turnovers this season and if so, the offense just might be a juggernaut.

My bold prediction is that the Badgers will finish the season with 1 loss, with that 1 loss either being at Michigan or Penn State.  Too early to see who would definitively win the B1G Championship as we have to see how the East shapes up.  Curious to see how OSU does with Haskins and a bunch of new defensive players.  



                    I find it a bit laughable that you call the offense 'loaded'. They are the same guys returning to play minus Troy F. I have no reason to suddenly expect the offense to start throwing up 40-50-60 points per game, with the same guys. Will they be better on offense than last year?  I certainly hope so and I expect they will be. I just dont think the offense is 'loaded'.  If Hornibrook can stop throwing stupid throws AND Taylor stops fumbling - those 2 things alone will drastically improve the offense. The O-line is the same. All the skills guys are the same MINUS Troy F.  Certainly this offense has potential, but the offense will have to show they can throw up points against the better competition before I would even consider the offense to be 'loaded'. Returning the same guys who started simply doesnt convey being 'loaded' to me, UNLESS every guy improves; which in fact rarely happens.

This team lost a TON of very good defensive players that started and a couple backups who played a lot. Everyone is always replaceable, but to think the defense can basically almost turn over and be as good is not reasonable. Those D-line guys that are gone will be missed. I see that as a possible weak link early for the defense. I think the LB's will be just fine. DB's will be no worse than last year, as long as Badgers don't play any teams who really pass. Penn State might blow Wisconsin away this year with it's passing game. If this team can beat either Michigan or Penn State at Michigan and/or Penn State, this will be a very good team. If they beat both teams - they will be an elite team. Way way too early to be putting Wisconsin even in the top 10, IMHO anyway. I certainly hope the team is this good, but I see no reason to expect them to be elite. To be ranked #3 means your team is ELITE and few teams are yearly other than Clemson, Alabama and Ohio State(perhaps Penn State in recent years too). I see Wisconsin at about #10 MAX - ahead of Michigan, but behind both Ohio State and Penn State in the Big 10 alone. Add in the other powers and I just don't see Wisconsin at higher than #10 to begin the season. Wisconsin's Big 10 schedule is a bit tougher this year, with Penn State on it. The Badger non-conference schedule is just laughable AND all at home. Opening the Big 10 schedule playing Iowa at Iowa should give us some idea how good Wisconsin will be. We wont know anything after they play the 3 bunnies in the non-conference schedule.
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I'm not going to get caught up the superlatives, but I think all of what WI has returning on offense needs to be pointed out:

Offensive line: three returning All-Americans plus a freshman All-American, and numerous back ups who played very meaningful snaps last year
Wide receiver: I think it's fair to say the potential to be the best group of Badger wide receivers (Cephus, Taylor, Prior, and Davis) during my life time. And oh yeah, Aron Cruickshank was many people's Spring Camp MVP.
Running back: A sophomore who only put together one of the best freshman seasons ever, with a good collection of capable back ups. Ingold has plenty of experience returning at FB.
Quarterback: Hornibrook has had his ups & downs, but showed the play-making ability he is working towards sustaining in the Orange Bowl last year. How many upperclassmen QBs in the country can boast the experience of a 21-3 college record entering a season?

The offenses of 2010 & 2011 were juggernauts - best in school history and some of the best in the nation those two years. Those around here with better memories than I (MicK, DB) would have a more complete recollection, but how did the off-season anticipation of  those offenses compare to what is listed above? The success of a college football season is a very fickle thing (injuries, fewer games, varying opponents quality), but it's very hard to not to be excited about the potential of WI's offense at this point in 2018.

In terms of preseason rankings and not thinking WI is top 10 material... The Badgers finished 6/7 last year, which I think is pretty appropriate. The Badgers have been one of the top 5 most successful football teams in the country over the last five years, with sustained success the previous 10, 15, 20, 25 years. Is it not appropriate for those doing rankings to acknowledge that success? Yes, the defense has major holes to fill, but given all the Badgers return on offense (partially listed above), what schools finishing behind WI last year should be ranked in front of them? News flash, every school has losses / holes to fill due to players leaving.
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dawgstyle
I would caution you on the excitement of your 3 All American OL.  11 organizations hand out that designation.  WI didn't exactly have 3 guys on the majority of the lists.  

And like it or not, the Big Ten West sucks, that hasn't exactly hurt that sustained success.
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safetysqueezepleezzee11
I'm not going to get caught up the superlatives, but I think all of what WI has returning on offense needs to be pointed out:

Offensive line: three returning All-Americans plus a freshman All-American, and numerous back ups who played very meaningful snaps last year
Wide receiver: I think it's fair to say the potential to be the best group of Badger wide receivers (Cephus, Taylor, Prior, and Davis) during my life time. And oh yeah, Aron Cruickshank was many people's Spring Camp MVP.
Running back: A sophomore who only put together one of the best freshman seasons ever, with a good collection of capable back ups. Ingold has plenty of experience returning at FB.
Quarterback: Hornibrook has had his ups & downs, but showed the play-making ability he is working towards sustaining in the Orange Bowl last year. How many upperclassmen QBs in the country can boast the experience of a 21-3 college record entering a season?

The offenses of 2010 & 2011 were juggernauts - best in school history and some of the best in the nation those two years. Those around here with better memories than I (MicK, DB) would have a more complete recollection, but how did the off-season anticipation of  those offenses compare to what is listed above? The success of a college football season is a very fickle thing (injuries, fewer games, varying opponents quality), but it's very hard to not to be excited about the potential of WI's offense at this point in 2018.

In terms of preseason rankings and not thinking WI is top 10 material... The Badgers finished 6/7 last year, which I think is pretty appropriate. The Badgers have been one of the top 5 most successful football teams in the country over the last five years, with sustained success the previous 10, 15, 20, 25 years. Is it not appropriate for those doing rankings to acknowledge that success? Yes, the defense has major holes to fill, but given all the Badgers return on offense (partially listed above), what schools finishing behind WI last year should be ranked in front of them? News flash, every school has losses / holes to fill due to players leaving.
                 I actually posted I saw the Badgers at 'about' #10 to start next season. I still put both Penn State and Ohio State ahead of them and will continue until the Badgers show they can beat both of them. Just too many good teams to put Bucky at #3 right now. The early polls AFTER last season had both Penn State and Ohio State ahead of Bucky. Then you have teams like Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Oklahoma and a few others. I have noticed when Bucky is ranked REAL high prior to a season, they rarely measure up the the very high rankings.  Gotta have defense to win in the Big 10 and that may be a bit tough to match for Bucky to teams from the 3 previous years.  I hope they are as good as a #3 ranking signifies. I just dont see it at this time. The team will need for players to develop and improve their games for Bucky to be a top 4 team. It is possible - just not real likely the way I see it this year. I think they can attain a top 10(or even a bit higher), but I dont see them being a top 4 team. To make the top 4, Bucky will have to win a Big 10 championship game and they simply havent been able to do it yet. They could go 12-0 again, then lose to Ohio State(again) in the Big 10 Championship or put Penn State in there. I dont see a Big 10 team that loses the Big 10 championship game ever making it into the 4 team playoff(again, possible but very unlikely).
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mickjagger
Badgers open at #7 in the USA Today Coaches Poll:

The full preseason coaches poll:

1. Alabama; 2. Clemson; 3. Ohio State; 4. Georgia; 5. Oklahoma; 6. Washington; 7. Wisconsin; 8. Miami (Fla.); 9. Penn State; 10. Auburn; 11. Notre Dame; 12. Michigan State; 13. Stanford; 14. Michigan; 15. USC; 16. TCU; 17. Virginia Tech; 18. Mississippi State; 19. Florida State; 20. West Virginia; 21. Texas; 22. Boise State; 23. Central Florida; 24. LSU; 25. Oklahoma State.

https://madison.com/sports/college/football/badgers-come-in-at-no-in-preseason-amway-coaches-poll/article_fc916cc8-8073-50ef-9922-6dce527023e4.html
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mickjagger
Badgers ranked #3 in Sports Illustrated pre-season poll.

Also, 5 Badgers ranked in S.I.'s top 100 college players:

5.  Jonathan Taylor, RB
42.  David Edwards, OT
52.  Michael Dieter,  G
74.  Beau Benzschwel,  G
95.  TJ Edwards,  LB

2018 Sports Illustrated College Football Pre-SeasonTop 25
https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/08/07/rankings-preseason-top-25-polls-clemson-alabama?utm_campaign=si-extra&utm_source=si.com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=2018080712PM&eminfo=%7b%22EMAIL%22%3a%22yEegR3N41GrUE6FY3ua1C6yTrkkPMrpS%22%2c%22BRAND%22%3a%22SI%22%2c%22CONTENT%22%3a%22Newsletter%22%2c%22UID%22%3a%22SI_EXT_5AEF8C93-4C7A-4AC3-B1D7-B61D693569BA%22%2c%22SUBID%22%3a%2298873864%22%2c%22JOBID%22%3a%22846612%22%2c%22NEWSLETTER%22%3a%22SI_EXTRA%22%2c%22ZIP%22%3a%22%22%2c%22COUNTRY%22%3a%22CAN%22%7dSeason
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mickjagger

Badgers Ranked 4th in 2018 Associated Press Pre-Season Poll

"This is the 10th time in program history the Badgers are starting the season in the top 10, and just the second time they've done so in back-to-back years.

Bob Asmussen of the Champaign News-Gazette gave the Badgers their lone first-place vote, while none of the 61 voters had UW ranked lower than 13th.

The Badgers were the highest ranked of five Big Ten teams who will start the season in the top 15. Ohio State, the conference's defending champion who may have dipped a couple spots with coach Urban Meyer on administrative leave, came in at No. 5, followed by Penn State at No. 10, Michigan State at 11th and Michigan at No. 14."

The complete AP preseason poll:

1. Alabama (42 first-place votes); 2. Clemson (18); 3. Georgia; 4. Wisconsin (1); 5. Ohio State; 6. Washington; 7. Oklahoma; 8. Miami (Fla.); 9. Auburn 10. Penn State; 11. Michigan St 

12. Notre Dame; 13. Stanford; 14. Michigan; 15. USC; 16. TCU; 17. West Virginia; 18. Mississippi State; 19. Florida State; 20. Virginia Tech; 21. UCF; 22. Boise State; 23. Texas; 24. Oregon; 25. LSU

https://madison.com/sports/college/football/badgers-begin-season-ranked-no-in-associated-press-poll/article_b8796c5a-a3fb-50fc-84b2-6181071785f9.html
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elsmith4
In light of injuries and recent news of Cephus and possibly Davis being gone, I don't think UW is worthy of the 3rd spot. Michigan should definitely be higher, possibly ahead of Penn State.  UW should be somewhere between OSU and Penn St.
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mickjagger
elsmith4 wrote:
In light of injuries and recent news of Cephus and possibly Davis being gone, I don't think UW is worthy of the 3rd spot. Michigan should definitely be higher, possibly ahead of Penn State.  UW should be somewhere between OSU and Penn St.
Don't know which poll you're referring to, elsmith ?  The Badgers are ranked #7 in the Coaches pre-season poll and #4 in the Associated Press (media) pre-season poll.  Additionally, both polls came out before the Quintez Cephus news broke ...
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dawgstyle
mickjagger wrote:
Don't know which poll you're referring to, elsmith ?  The Badgers are ranked #7 in the Coaches pre-season poll and #4 in the Associated Press (media) pre-season poll.  Additionally, both polls came out before the Quintez Cephus news broke ...
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He's referring to your original post from may 10th
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elsmith4
dawgstyle wrote:


He's referring to your original post from may 10th



Excuse me, I was referring to the Badgers AP Ranking of #4. OSU is more talented, returning their top 4 receivers and two talented RBs.  Their defense is stacked this year.  Heck, in light of Cephus/Davis suspension, I'd put PSU and UM ahead of Wisconsin.  
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dawgstyle
elsmith4 wrote:



Excuse me, I was referring to the Badgers AP Ranking of #4. OSU is more talented, returning their top 4 receivers and two talented RBs.  Their defense is stacked this year.  Heck, in light of Cephus/Davis suspension, I'd put PSU and UM ahead of Wisconsin.  


Then why did you say the 3rd spot?  What 3rd spot?  
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