cameroncrazies02
Let's be very clear-this is the biggest off-season in Bucks history.  This summer will dictate how they go about the next decade.  If they screw it up, it means same ol' Bucks, teetering around .500, ups and downs and Giannis begins to get really frustrated and the talk will heat up of him leaving.  If they do it right, make wholesale POSITIVE changes, it could mean a completely different outlook.

Front Office-
Ownership and GM won't change, obviously.  The ownership staying the same is very obvious.  As for the GM, they promoted Jon Horst last summer.  He didn't do anything horrendous to cost him his job and after a tumultuous search for a GM, they're not going through that again.  Horst did make some positive moves...the Bledsoe trade-you can take it or leave it.  We're still in flux with our draft pick, but Monroe going out was fine.  He is warming the bench in Boston now and won't be anything more than that for the rest of his career.  Could he have waited and maybe cashed in on his expiring at the deadline?  Sure.  But at the time, the Bucks desperately needed an upgrade at PG and Bledsoe, for the most part, was an upgrade.

Coaching-
Whether the roster stays the same or not isn't necessarily what matters.  It's the coaching.  For a small-market, 7th seed team to garner so much attention as to how horrendous their coaching is, it shows there's a problem.  Joe Prunty has to go.  And all of his minions, including Sean Sweeney can go with him.  They got rid of most of Kidd's guys when Kidd was fired and brought in Vin Baker.  Stacey Augmon was also an outside-of-Kidd's-guys coach.  I'd imagine they stick around.  But this team is so f'in talented, any slightly above average coach will get them to where they need to be.  I've heard so many names thrown around-anywhere from old re-treads in Mike Budenholzer, David Fizzdale and Kevin McHale, to young up-and-comers in Ettor Messina and Becky Hammond to European coaches in David Blatt and others.  I have no idea what I want.  Budenholzer, Fizzdale and McHale are re-treads in the lightest of terms.  Both coached very successful teams in the past and were ousted for reasons more-so outside of their ability to coach.

Player Personnel-
The Bucks, as currently constructed, with Jabari Parker, Jason Terry, Shabazz Muhammed and Brandon Jennings as free agents, are at $105M payroll which is right around where they salary cap will be.  The luxury tax will be in the range of $120-125M.  So technically, they could re-sign Jabari to a deal in the range of $15-20M and still be under that line, but that doesn't take into account their first round pick salary and at least one other player to add to make a roster of 14.  It's easy to say get rid of Snell, Henson, Dellavedova, however Snell and Delly are virtually untradeable (Delly at 2 more years at $9M+ per season and Snell for three more years at about $11.5M per season).  Henson still has two more years on his deal, but is on a sliding salary meaning he'll be paid $10.5M next season and $9.7M the following season.  Could they trade him?  It's possible.  Could they trade him for salary cap relief?  Not likely without attaching an asset.

One huge factor is Mirza Teletovic's medical issue.  His contract is still on the books at $10.5M (which is factored into that $105M).  I think the Bucks will plan this summer as if Mirza's contract will be nullified due to medical retirement which will open that money up.  Tyler Zeller's minimum contract of $1.7M is also non-guaranteed.  If they release him, that'll open up a spot on the roster and that minimum money. So there WILL be wiggle room.  But the elephant in the room is Jabari.

I still feel like Giannis, Middleton, Bledsoe, Brogdon with good coaching can get you to 50 wins.  I don't see a whole lot of changes coming from the roster.  Trading one player still creates a hole somewhere else.  What is for sure is we need to get stronger up front with better rebounding.  
 
As for the Jabari situation-it's no secret that Jabari is a bad team defender, has a bit of an attitude, can be a locker-room issue and wants to get paid.  That's well known throughout the NBA.  His options are to find a deal in FA and make the Bucks match, negotiate with the Bucks for a contract or sign the qualifying offer.  The likeliest IMO is him signing the qualifying offer of around $4.5M next season, play on the one year deal to prove himself and go to free agency the following year.  When a player signs the qualifying offer however, they essentially have a no-trade clause and any trade would have to be approved by Jabari.  Since he seems to be focused on a big, near max contract, that's not likely, because he loses Bird Rights if he accepts a trade, meaning the team he is traded to can't offer him the full max extension the Bucks could've.  So don't get hyped about him on a small contract and the ability to trade him.  I find that to be one of the worst case scenarios.  He'd be so self-absorbed trying to prove himself and we'd still be in this flux about him starting/as the 6th man and his lack of fit with the team.  The best case scenario is a sign and trade, but those are so hard to do.
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Thanks for the thoughts Cameron.  I certainly have a great respect for them.  

I think everyone is in on moving on from Prunty - but is the ownership group and Horst?  A decision should come soon on that.  The list of re treads is in a way exciting - but in a way - a here we go again.  Apparently McHale is looking to get back and he had an up-close look at this series with Boston.  I don't mind Buddenholzer and Fizzdale - but, they have had other organizations let them go for some reason or another.  Seems like Buddenholzer would bring a toughness.  Not sure I am a Blatt fan.  Mike Woodson is another name that will come up.  Becky Hammon would be an interesting choice and certainly would bring a lot of attention to Milwaukee.  I gotta feeling one of the ex coaches will be the choice.  

As far as personnel goes - there are a few free agents that would add to this team.  Obviously a big is a must - so guys like Brooke Lopez, Nerlens Noel, or Dewayne Dedmon should all be options.  Others that I like to add some veteran leadership - Wes Matthews, Wade Ellington, Marco Bellinelli.  This team needs a steady vet that plays and can hold guys accountable.   

As far as Jabari goes - right now - it appears he will return according to Cameron's analysis of his contract situation.  Maybe someone would take him on a sign and trade - Portland comes to mind - but I am just not sure the interest others will have.  2 knee surgeries - what appears to be a selfishness growing with him - talking about his coach to the media - those kinds of things just seem to bring his value down.  It would be great to see Horst be able to move him and get something for him - but I am not sure that can happen.  

The poor contracts could hamper this team next season.  Delly can get moved after next season, but Snell has to hang around for a couple more.  Henson - I don't mind him - I think he is more of a bench guy.  Zeller - for $1.7 million is pretty easy to swallow and he can be a spot guy.  I wouldn't mind seeing Plumlee get a look.  He is active and a big body.  And I just don't see DJ Wilson ever making it.  I do like Sterling Brown.

But without some re-tooling, this team is not a competitor for the East.  Not better than Boston, Philly, maybe Indy, Toronto, and if LeBron return to Cleveland, not better than the Cavs.  I just don't know if right now, this team, no matter the coach, has the make-up to challenge those teams.  
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oldballcoach1 wrote:
Thanks for the thoughts Cameron.  I certainly have a great respect for them.  

I think everyone is in on moving on from Prunty - but is the ownership group and Horst?  A decision should come soon on that.  The list of re treads is in a way exciting - but in a way - a here we go again.  Apparently McHale is looking to get back and he had an up-close look at this series with Boston.  I don't mind Buddenholzer and Fizzdale - but, they have had other organizations let them go for some reason or another.  Seems like Buddenholzer would bring a toughness.  Not sure I am a Blatt fan.  Mike Woodson is another name that will come up.  Becky Hammon would be an interesting choice and certainly would bring a lot of attention to Milwaukee.  I gotta feeling one of the ex coaches will be the choice.  

As far as personnel goes - there are a few free agents that would add to this team.  Obviously a big is a must - so guys like Brooke Lopez, Nerlens Noel, or Dewayne Dedmon should all be options.  Others that I like to add some veteran leadership - Wes Matthews, Wade Ellington, Marco Bellinelli.  This team needs a steady vet that plays and can hold guys accountable.   

As far as Jabari goes - right now - it appears he will return according to Cameron's analysis of his contract situation.  Maybe someone would take him on a sign and trade - Portland comes to mind - but I am just not sure the interest others will have.  2 knee surgeries - what appears to be a selfishness growing with him - talking about his coach to the media - those kinds of things just seem to bring his value down.  It would be great to see Horst be able to move him and get something for him - but I am not sure that can happen.  

The poor contracts could hamper this team next season.  Delly can get moved after next season, but Snell has to hang around for a couple more.  Henson - I don't mind him - I think he is more of a bench guy.  Zeller - for $1.7 million is pretty easy to swallow and he can be a spot guy.  I wouldn't mind seeing Plumlee get a look.  He is active and a big body.  And I just don't see DJ Wilson ever making it.  I do like Sterling Brown.

But without some re-tooling, this team is not a competitor for the East.  Not better than Boston, Philly, maybe Indy, Toronto, and if LeBron return to Cleveland, not better than the Cavs.  I just don't know if right now, this team, no matter the coach, has the make-up to challenge those teams.  


The thing about Budenholzer is he was the coach when the Hawks called themselves Hawks University, because he did such a great job developing players.  Demarre Carroll, Dennis Schroeder, Dewayne Dedmon, Taurean Prince, Kent Bazemore, Tim Hardaway Jr were all guys who played under Bud and developed very well.  He is the one actually asking to move on from Atlanta, not the other way around.  I think he wants to get back to winning.  Mike Woodson will not be a candidate and if he was, it'd be a throw in to get a big pool.

As far as your personnel mentions-Lopez would be a horrible addition.  He's slow and plodding, and is the worst rebounding center in the NBA.  His ability to stretch the floor would be a positive and I wouldn't mind him as a backup on my team, but not on this team where Thon is developing and is useful under the right tutelage.  Noel and Dedmon I'm lukewarm on.  Noel hasn't legitimately played in two years and has had run ins with every coach he's played for.  Clearly he's got some issues and although supremely talented, I don't know that I want him near my team.  Dedmon is a tough case.  San Antonio let him walk even though he was a solid player for them and he had a really good year in ATL which means he's going to get paid pretty good.  I'm not sure I want to spend $10M a year for him when that's the kind of contract that kills us.  Wes Matthews has an $18M player option which he'll opt into and will stay in Dallas.  Guys like Belinelli and Ellington are certainly the type of guys we need to target.  

Portland can't sign Jabari to an offer sheet because they're way, way over the cap.  It'd have to be a sign and trade and outside of Lillard and McCollum I don't see anyone on that roster I want in return to make salaries match.  Jusuf Nurkic is also a RFA, and they could do a duel S&T but that'd be super complicated and both players would have to a) be signed to nearly the same contract, and b) accept the terms of said contract AND accept the trade to that team.  Even if that all fell into place, I don't know that I want our final big contract piece to be Jusuf Nurkic.  He's huge, not a good floor runner, eats up space in the middle, can't shoot and has questions about his defense.  His rebounding and finishing around the rim would be a great asset, but I think you can find a better option for less than the contract he's going to get.  Oh, and Portland can't do Lillard, McCollum and Jabari, it'd be the worst defensive team in the NBA.
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cameroncrazies02 wrote:
Let's be very clear-this is the biggest off-season in Bucks history.  This summer will dictate how they go about the next decade.  If they screw it up, it means same ol' Bucks, teetering around .500, ups and downs and Giannis begins to get really frustrated and the talk will heat up of him leaving.  If they do it right, make wholesale POSITIVE changes, it could mean a completely different outlook.

Front Office-
Ownership and GM won't change, obviously.  The ownership staying the same is very obvious.  As for the GM, they promoted Jon Horst last summer.  He didn't do anything horrendous to cost him his job and after a tumultuous search for a GM, they're not going through that again.  Horst did make some positive moves...the Bledsoe trade-you can take it or leave it.  We're still in flux with our draft pick, but Monroe going out was fine.  He is warming the bench in Boston now and won't be anything more than that for the rest of his career.  Could he have waited and maybe cashed in on his expiring at the deadline?  Sure.  But at the time, the Bucks desperately needed an upgrade at PG and Bledsoe, for the most part, was an upgrade.

Coaching-
Whether the roster stays the same or not isn't necessarily what matters.  It's the coaching.  For a small-market, 7th seed team to garner so much attention as to how horrendous their coaching is, it shows there's a problem.  Joe Prunty has to go.  And all of his minions, including Sean Sweeney can go with him.  They got rid of most of Kidd's guys when Kidd was fired and brought in Vin Baker.  Stacey Augmon was also an outside-of-Kidd's-guys coach.  I'd imagine they stick around.  But this team is so f'in talented, any slightly above average coach will get them to where they need to be.  I've heard so many names thrown around-anywhere from old re-treads in Mike Budenholzer, David Fizzdale and Kevin McHale, to young up-and-comers in Ettor Messina and Becky Hammond to European coaches in David Blatt and others.  I have no idea what I want.  Budenholzer, Fizzdale and McHale are re-treads in the lightest of terms.  Both coached very successful teams in the past and were ousted for reasons more-so outside of their ability to coach.

Player Personnel-
The Bucks, as currently constructed, with Jabari Parker, Jason Terry, Shabazz Muhammed and Brandon Jennings as free agents, are at $105M payroll which is right around where they salary cap will be.  The luxury tax will be in the range of $120-125M.  So technically, they could re-sign Jabari to a deal in the range of $15-20M and still be under that line, but that doesn't take into account their first round pick salary and at least one other player to add to make a roster of 14.  It's easy to say get rid of Snell, Henson, Dellavedova, however Snell and Delly are virtually untradeable (Delly at 2 more years at $9M+ per season and Snell for three more years at about $11.5M per season).  Henson still has two more years on his deal, but is on a sliding salary meaning he'll be paid $10.5M next season and $9.7M the following season.  Could they trade him?  It's possible.  Could they trade him for salary cap relief?  Not likely without attaching an asset.

One huge factor is Mirza Teletovic's medical issue.  His contract is still on the books at $10.5M (which is factored into that $105M).  I think the Bucks will plan this summer as if Mirza's contract will be nullified due to medical retirement which will open that money up.  Tyler Zeller's minimum contract of $1.7M is also non-guaranteed.  If they release him, that'll open up a spot on the roster and that minimum money. So there WILL be wiggle room.  But the elephant in the room is Jabari.

I still feel like Giannis, Middleton, Bledsoe, Brogdon with good coaching can get you to 50 wins.  I don't see a whole lot of changes coming from the roster.  Trading one player still creates a hole somewhere else.  What is for sure is we need to get stronger up front with better rebounding.  
 
As for the Jabari situation-it's no secret that Jabari is a bad team defender, has a bit of an attitude, can be a locker-room issue and wants to get paid.  That's well known throughout the NBA.  His options are to find a deal in FA and make the Bucks match, negotiate with the Bucks for a contract or sign the qualifying offer.  The likeliest IMO is him signing the qualifying offer of around $4.5M next season, play on the one year deal to prove himself and go to free agency the following year.  When a player signs the qualifying offer however, they essentially have a no-trade clause and any trade would have to be approved by Jabari.  Since he seems to be focused on a big, near max contract, that's not likely, because he loses Bird Rights if he accepts a trade, meaning the team he is traded to can't offer him the full max extension the Bucks could've.  So don't get hyped about him on a small contract and the ability to trade him.  I find that to be one of the worst case scenarios.  He'd be so self-absorbed trying to prove himself and we'd still be in this flux about him starting/as the 6th man and his lack of fit with the team.  The best case scenario is a sign and trade, but those are so hard to do.
                        NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  The 'biggest' off season EVER was the off season when the Bucks drafted Alcinder. Nothing else is even close and probably never will be.   Getting Oscar was #2 as far as BIG goes.
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Sure, those picks were big in the sense that it helped the franchise by picking up a cornerstone piece but that’s like saying the 2013 draft when the Bucks picked Giannis 15th was the biggest. At the time it was pretty inconsequential.

What I’m saying is that it will completely determine the direction of the franchise for some time. 
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Sure, those picks were big in the sense that it helped the franchise by picking up a cornerstone piece but that’s like saying the 2013 draft when the Bucks picked Giannis 15th was the biggest. At the time it was pretty inconsequential.

What I’m saying is that it will completely determine the direction of the franchise for some time. 


The Bucks biggest off season was after the 1975 season when Kareem forced his way out of Milwaukee and went to the Lakers.  Giannis is the second greatest player after Kareem in Bucks history.  This off season is huge because we cannot have Giannis leave the way Kareem did.  I don't know if I trust Jon Horst to make the neccessary moves the club needs.  The one decision I think that they don't need to over think is hiring Mike Budenholzer as their next coach.   He was able to win in Atlanta and had no one remotely as good as Giannis on those teams.   One thing I think works against the Bucks in getting their next coach is how stable is their ownership?  The Jon Horst hiring was very messy situation last year and people remember stuff like that.
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trade Bledsoe and the pick for a #8-10 pick and suck it up. Brogdon and Delly can man the point for now.
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I get what you are saying Cameron, but this team is in desperate need for a starting big man and a veteran off the bench that can shoot the 3 and defend.  The big man is tough to come by if you look at filling that in free agency and I understand that, but you can't tell me that Brooke Lopez would not be a step up.  My preference would be to pursue a guy like Whiteside, but getting him is going to be costly and it can not be for one of the young guys - other than Jabari.  Going back next year with the same rotation should not be an option.  It isn't working and will lead to another 42 win season and 1st round exit.  

 
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I get what you are saying Cameron, but this team is in desperate need for a starting big man and a veteran off the bench that can shoot the 3 and defend.  The big man is tough to come by if you look at filling that in free agency and I understand that, but you can't tell me that Brooke Lopez would not be a step up.  My preference would be to pursue a guy like Whiteside, but getting him is going to be costly and it can not be for one of the young guys - other than Jabari.  Going back next year with the same rotation should not be an option.  It isn't working and will lead to another 42 win season and 1st round exit.  

 


I would love Whiteside too, but only when he is motivated to play which he wasn't for most of the year and the playoffs.  He is also owed a ton of money the next two years. Whiteside is owed $25.4 million next season with a player option available the following season $27 million.  That would be tough to work around.  The guy I kind of like is Derrick Favors of Utah.  I believe he is an UFA and I have no idea what kind of contract it would take to get him.  The Bucks were last in the NBA in rebounding and they desperately have to improve their interior play.  My question big question for you CC is when do they start addressing their situation in two years when I believe Brogdon, Middleton, and Bledsoe are free agents?  That has to have some impact on how they approach this offseason.
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I'll try to take all these topics 1 by 1.

Budenholzer-Bud is really slow playing his availability, leading me to believe he's either hoping for a front office position (as he was the President of Basketball Operations in ATL) or hoping for a coaching spot to open up.  I don't THINK he's waiting for that FO spot because his track record in ATL wasn't good there.  That leads me to believe he's waiting for a coaching spot-there's a few good positions that are likely available-Milwaukee, Denver, Portland, Minnesota, LA Clippers and maybe Cleveland, Washington.  There's plenty of coaches out there with good track records either as coaches or as an assistant ready to step into a head coaching role.  Bud is probably the safest bet-he's done well in the past, doesn't have many blemishes on his record and gets the best out of his players.  Milwaukee has to be the leader in the NBA as far as coaching vacancies go.  They have a new arena and a superstar.  That's a huge draw.

Bledsoe trade-any Bledsoe trade would net us less value than he provides the team.  He's expiring which is extremely valuable come the trade deadline and it gives us flexibility moving forward.  But he's not netting us a lottery pick.  As incredibly rare as it is, nobody's trading for 1 year of Bledsoe for their lottery pick because nobody wants to be the team that traded the pick that became Giannis or Kawhi.

Brook Lopez-it's just not happening.  His ability to rebound is on par with Thon.  And he's so bad defensively, he's literally the opposite of what we need.  I'm still not completely out on Thon and signing Thon would push him well into the bench and hamper his development.

Hassan Whiteside-Whiteside is literally Jabari, but at center.  If he's not actively involved in the offense on almost every play, he starts to fade, his interest level decreases and he stops trying.  Spoelstra is one of the best coaches in the NBA and he couldn't even prevent Whiteside from getting played off the floor in the latter stages of the season and into the playoffs.  I'm not saying I don't want any part of him, I think he has some value because his contract isn't horrendous, but I have major concerns.

Free Agency-I don't expect the Bucks to go out and spend big money this off-season.  The ideal scenario is to slow-play free agency, not get too overzealous with Jabari and any sign and trade and look at the assets you'll have.  Bledsoe is an expiring contract and won't be re-signed.  You might be able to flip Bledsoe, attach Delly or Snell, add a young player like Brown or Thon and a future pick and get a big time player.  If you go out and spend all your money right now, it eats into the cap space for the future and completely handcuffs you.  It's so hard to predict how this will all play out because it all changes so fast.  My best guess is Middleton would be re-signed next summer at around $20M while Brogdon gets somewhere between $10-15M depending on how he plays next season.  If you can time everything right (re-signing Middleton and Brogdon later in free agency), the Bucks could theoretically sign a player next summer at around $20M+.
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Sure, those picks were big in the sense that it helped the franchise by picking up a cornerstone piece but that’s like saying the 2013 draft when the Bucks picked Giannis 15th was the biggest. At the time it was pretty inconsequential.

What I’m saying is that it will completely determine the direction of the franchise for some time. 
                     The pick of Alcinder and the trade for Oscar directly led to one championship and nearly a 2nd.
Have heard about many many BIG off seasons over the years and nearly all of them since the Herb Kohl ownership began didn't develop much long term. The biggest problem with the Bucks is OWNERSHIP sticking their noses into the basketball side. Kohl did it over and over and his teams never really developed. We are seeing similar things with this ownership group. They need to bring a 'basketball guy' in and let him run it. Ownership needs to get and keep it's noses out of day to day stuff. Getting a competent head coach isn't as important as getting a GM that they will give the power to and let him run the whole deal. I still remember the 'big 3' and that group only performed real well for one season.

Teams that have ownership sticking their noses in almost always have team that underperform - ie - Dallas Cowboys.
I see the same garbage with the Brewer owner always beaking off and in about baseball things.

Only thing similar about Giannis and Alcinder/Jabber is both are among the top players while playing. I don't see much chance for a Giannis led team to be 'pushing' for championships/playoff series, other than being one of 16 out of 30 teams who make the playoffs. Just making the playoffs is just not a big accomplishment when so many teams that have NO chance make the playoffs. I will change my mind only when ownership stays out of basketball stuff. That started with Herb Kohl and has continued - team will just never develop when the GM has to do what the ownership THINKS will work.

There have been a lot of BIG off seasons with the Bucks since they began competing in 1969. I just don't see this off season being anything that is going to be revolutionary and put the Bucks up with the top 4-5 teams and a REAL  competitor for a championship. Bucks have had many GREAT individual players over the years but the TEAM has only developed when the GM is allowed to run the team. It ended after Kohl decided to let Nelson go after the 1986-87 season. From 1976 thru the 1986-87 the Bucks were competitive with every team for the most and incredibly fun to follow. 2 of Nelson's first 3 years they missed the playoffs, then the team had a nice 8 year run with Nelson as coach and GM.
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                     The pick of Alcinder and the trade for Oscar directly led to one championship and nearly a 2nd.
Have heard about many many BIG off seasons over the years and nearly all of them since the Herb Kohl ownership began didn't develop much long term. The biggest problem with the Bucks is OWNERSHIP sticking their noses into the basketball side. Kohl did it over and over and his teams never really developed. We are seeing similar things with this ownership group. They need to bring a 'basketball guy' in and let him run it. Ownership needs to get and keep it's noses out of day to day stuff. Getting a competent head coach isn't as important as getting a GM that they will give the power to and let him run the whole deal. I still remember the 'big 3' and that group only performed real well for one season.

Teams that have ownership sticking their noses in almost always have team that underperform - ie - Dallas Cowboys.
I see the same garbage with the Brewer owner always beaking off and in about baseball things.

Only thing similar about Giannis and Alcinder/Jabber is both are among the top players while playing. I don't see much chance for a Giannis led team to be 'pushing' for championships/playoff series, other than being one of 16 out of 30 teams who make the playoffs. Just making the playoffs is just not a big accomplishment when so many teams that have NO chance make the playoffs. I will change my mind only when ownership stays out of basketball stuff. That started with Herb Kohl and has continued - team will just never develop when the GM has to do what the ownership THINKS will work.

There have been a lot of BIG off seasons with the Bucks since they began competing in 1969. I just don't see this off season being anything that is going to be revolutionary and put the Bucks up with the top 4-5 teams and a REAL  competitor for a championship. Bucks have had many GREAT individual players over the years but the TEAM has only developed when the GM is allowed to run the team. It ended after Kohl decided to let Nelson go after the 1986-87 season. From 1976 thru the 1986-87 the Bucks were competitive with every team for the most and incredibly fun to follow. 2 of Nelson's first 3 years they missed the playoffs, then the team had a nice 8 year run with Nelson as coach and GM.


I have followed the Bucks from the early 70s.  I can remember bits and pieces from the 70-71 championship season.  The Bucks have had only two great players in the entire history, Lew Alcindor and now Giannis.  That is it in their 50 year history.  By great I am talking about one of  of the truly great players in NBA history.  They have had great players play for them but only when they were past their prime like Oscar Robertson, Dave Cowens, or Bob Lanier.  They have had a lot of really good players in their history, players who fall just short in joining the all time greats of the game like Bobby Dandridge, Ray Allen, or Marques Johnson(my all time favorite).   Giannis and Kareem are the only two great players they have ever had in their entire history.   Since they got beat by the Celtics in 73-74, when have they been considered a legitimate title contender?   The Celtics and 76ers were always better in the early 80s and other than the magical season of 2000-01(last time they won 50 games in a season) the Bucks have just been mediocre.  The formula for winning in the NBA hasn't changed, you need stars to win.  The only exception to that rule was the Pistons team coached by Larry Brown.  The Bucks have that superstar right now in Giannis and they need to somehow figure a way out to surround him with two more really good players to be able to get to that championship level.  I think Khris Middleton is one of those guys, now they need to find another one.  Finding that next really good player is a lot easier said than done.  It isn't going to happen with what they have right now and will probably entail some bold type of move to get them to title contender status.
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I think the way contracts are structured they will have to stand pat with who they have today and hope one solid year together with a good coach who can get them all on the same page you will see a lot of growth from this team. Bledsoe and Parker along with Giannis and Middleton are as good as any other starting 4 in the league. Maybe even switch Brogdon and Bledsoe or start Brogdon with the 4 I mentioned. I'd go after Moritz Wagner in the draft.
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I wasn't saying they'll go out ad make the biggest moves and it'll be the best off-season in Bucks history, what I was saying was how they shape their roster has to begin to show a formula of a foundation.  You can't start to throw together a roster a year before a Giannis super-max extension is available, hope it's going to work and think he'll re-sign.  But a foundation for what is going to be this franchise going forward is key.  I think we are lucky to have Giannis in that he's such a low key guy, I truly believe him when he says he likes Milwaukee because it fits him.  He loves these fans, I think he loves the city and the dynamic it has and what the franchise has done for him and his family.  And not just the roster, but the coaching and front office have to be consistent too.  If he doesn't get along with the coach or butts heads with guys other than his teammates, I think that'd drive him out more than anything else.

As for Moritz Wagner, he's the perfect college big man.  He was strong, had a jumpshot and could bully people around.  In the NBA, he would get completely exposed due to his lack of lateral quickness, his strength would become league average against most centers and he doesn't rebound at that high of a rate for a college player and one stat that does translate equally from college to NBA is rebounding.  You're not going to magically become a better or worse rebounder.  That's why guys like Reggie Evans stuck around the league so long-he could rebound and it didn't matter his age, same with Rodman.  Someone will definitely take a flyer on Wagner because he can stretch the floor, but even someone like Meyers Leonard who was nearly unstoppable at Illinois due to his size, wide frame and shooting ability didn't translate to the NBA.  Granted, he got a massive contract a few years back from a terrible Trailblazers front office, but if it wasn't for that, he'd be bouncing around the NBA if not out at this point.
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