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MY FINAL MOCK-thanks for letting me continually post long, rambling mocks. Love this time of year. Still so much up in the air, but in reality, there's 12 guys at the top who probably will go 1-12. Nobody huge is going to slip so any trade is just in name of team, not by player.

1-PHI-PG-Markelle Fultz-lock it in. Probably the only lock.

2-LAL-PG-Lonzo Ball-seems like they're going to keep this pick regardless of the rumors. If they keep it, Ball is the pick.

3-BOS-F-Jayson Tatum-if there wasn't a good fit here, I'd be more inclined to like BOS's potential of landing a star. But Tatum is a really good player who can play right now. Jaylen Brown hasn't been fantastic and needs to be brought along a bit slower. He can come off the bench. And if BOS does make a trade, it may have to include players which they have little depth right now. Just take Tatum and keep moving forward. They can win 55 games for the next season or two until their next regime comes along with Tatum and whomever they get next year with BKN's pick.

4-PHX-F-Josh Jackson-PHX has been rumored in a lot of trades. None of which to this point have publically included Eric Bledsoe. I could see them picking Fox, but that would include a Bledsoe trade. Take Jackson and keep your 1-3 of Bledsoe, Booker and Jackson.

5-SAC-PG-De'Aron Fox-they'll be elated if Fox lasts to them. The only real threat is PHX taking Fox ahead of SAC, but I don't think they'll be too bummed by getting Jackson too. Fox could answer their PG questions long term.

6-ORL-F-Jonathan Isaac-ORL has a long way to go before they figure everything out and Isaac is going to take awhile, but has a really high ceiling. Patience will be a virtue with him.

7-MIN-PG-Dennis Smith-MIN was rumored to look at a trade of Rubio to DAL for Wes Matthews, as DAL is angling for Ntilikina and might need to jump ahead of NYK for him. That leads me to believe MIN knows if Ntilikina is picked at 7, Smith will fall to them at 9, because NYK won't take Smith. They wouldn't trade their starting PG without a plan to replace him. Maybe that plan is Kris Dunn to run the point, but he was disastrous in his rookie year.

8-NYK-PG-Frank Ntilikina-the rumors of MIN/DAL trade were dead. They could be revived, but if they're not and Ntilikina's on the board, the Knicks will take him.

9-DAL-PF-Lauri Markkanen-with Ntilikina gone, that opens the door for DAL to take Markkanen. He's a nice consolation prize. He may not amount to anything other than a really good shooter, but at this point, you take him and hope he develops into something more. DAL needs more shooting anyway and can fall under the tutelage of Dirk next year.

10-SAC-C-Zach Collins-a haul of Collins and Fox has been predicted for SAC for the last month or so. It scrambles their roster a bit having WCS, Labissiere, Koufus, Papagiannis and now Collins as their big men, but WCS and Koufus become expendable.

11-CHA-SG-Malik Monk-this pick will come down to Monk or Kennard for CHA. Monk's a little more versatile and has a higher ceiling and is a great shooter in his own right, something CHA needs.

12-DET-SG-Luke Kennard-I think DET is dying for Kennard to fall to them. It gives them the ability to let KCP walk to FA where he's going to get severely overpaid.

13-DEN-F/C-Harry Giles-I've pegged DEN to take Giles for awhile. He has the highest upside outside of the top 12. Rumors are that team doctors aren't nearly as concerned about Giles knees as they were a few months ago. He propelled himself into the top 10 conversation for awhile, but I think he settles in DEN.

14-MIA-PF-John Collins-MIA needs some depth up front. They're rumored to be involved in FA conversations of Blake Griffin, but I don't think that'd stifle them from taking Collins. Excellent rebounder, shooting range out to 3.

15-POR-SF-Justin Jackson-POR will try to attach one of their two late picks along with Harkless to rid themselves of his contract. POR is also in win now mode. Jackson provides them depth, maturity, 3 point range and defense.

16-CHI-SG-Donovan Mitchell-I have no idea what CHI's plan is for this pick, but they need an answer in the backcourt beyond 2017 when Wade leaves. Mitchell's really small, but small SG's is the norm nowadays. He can score from anywhere and has elite athleticism.

17-MIL-PF/C-Bam Adebayo-Monroe opting in may give them some pause. If they think they can trade Henson though, I bet they take another big man. The question is, which one? Bam, Leaf, Patton, and Allen are the available bigs here. They brought in Adebayo in a private workout this past week which leads me to believe he may be the front runner.

18-IND-PF-TJ Leaf-IND can go a few directions here, but depth in the front court has to be key. If they trade George, I'd bet Jefferson and Thad Young become instantly available. Jefferson would be harder to move, but at 18, getting Leaf would be good value. He can score all over the court and has great offensive instincts. His major questions are his length and defense.

19-ATL-C-Justin Patton-ATL traded Dwight Howard for Miles Plumlee. I don't think they see Plumlee as their center of the future, but it would give them a year to let a guy like Patton develop. He has the highest upside of any big after Giles.

20-POR-C-Jarrett Allen-if POR can't get rid of their 15th or 20th pick, this would be two great hauls for them. Jackson provides them depth at the 3 while Allen gives them depth in the frontcourt, something POR fans are open to since they hve to watch Meyers Leonard, at 7'2", come out and jack 3's and fear the paint like it's going to kill him. Allen may take a year or two before he's a ready contributor, but POR has that luxury.

21-OKC-G-Frank Jackson-OKC needs instant offense in their backcourt behind Westbrook and Oladipo. Jackson is a bit of a reach at 21, but the last thing OKC needs is another non-shooter, or a big man. I could see them going with a big if they plan to trade Enes Kanter, but his return would probably be less than what he provides them. Jackson would ply a 3rd guard role, something OKC needs badly.

22-BKN-C-Anzejs Pasecniks-BKN has been eyeing Anzejs for awhile. 7'3", good lateral quickness for his size, fluid athlete, can score around the paint and as a spot up shooter. BKN traded Brook Lopez and they need some interior help. Pasecniks is a low risk-high reward player, something BKN needs.

23-TOR-PF/C-DJ Wilson-TOR may have a need at PG, but they could fill in a complimentary guy there. Ibaka is a free agent and it remains to be seen whether TOR is going to pony up max or near max money for him. Wilson may be limited in his game, but he's extremely high energy, wants to block everything in his viscinity and can shoot the 3.

24-UTA-F-Tyler Lydon-I know, a tall, shooting, white guy in UTAH? Get out. But he fits. Utah can always use more shooters and to get one that can play right now this late in the draft is a steal. To me, he's Ersan Ilyasova.

25-ORL-F-OG Anunoby-if ORL is going to swing for the fences with Isaac, why not keep swinging with Anunoby. The concern with him is he tore his ACL in January, so he won't be ready for the start of the season. ORL has a lot of young talent on their team, they don't need to bury another guy. Anunoby can come in, recover, get in some D-League games just before the all-star break and maybe by then, ORL will have packaged some of their young talent together and Anunoby can get into the rotation. He has a really high ceiling as a guy like Gerald Wallace. Ferocious defense and rebounder as a SF.

26-POR-PF-Isaiah Hartenstein-POR won't keep all three 1st rounders, but if they keep this one, they could draft and stash Hartenstein. Legitimate 7', shooter, good athlete, rim roller. But he's nowhere near ready and would be a good bet to draft and stash.

27-LAL-SG-Josh Hart-teams are loving Hart and has moved into the 1st round here. With Russell gone and Nick Young opting out, LAL needs some help in the backcourt, shooting wise. Hart is mature enough to play right now, can shoot from anywhere inside of half court and played on a college team that played ferocious defense.

28-LAL-SG-Terrance Ferguson-I don't think LAL keeps all 3 of these picks, and if they do, one will draft and stash. Hartenstein and Pasecniks are off the board. I'm not sure of Ferguson's ability to be stashed, but he played in AUS last year forgoing his college eligibility. He has some work to do after not doing well against top level guards in this draft during the combine, but he's got a high ceiling.

29-SAS-C-Ike Anigbogu-I can't believe Anigbogu fell this far, but it's possible. At this point, SAS have to take him. He's extremely raw and young, but he has the intangibles to be an elite interior defender, something SAS needs in their front court.

30-UTA-C-Tony Bradley-with UTA needing so much work to do in FA, I'm not sure they keep both 1sts tying up their salary with rookie contracts. At 30, Bradley's pretty decent value. He was a really good offensive rebounder, has a big, wide body and looks to be the part of a role playing big man. He's a bit stiff though, dropping him this low.

Best of the rest-
-Jonah Bolden-I LOVE Bolden. 6'10" PF with guard skills, passes really well, can shoot from 3, and can throw it down from the free throw line. He has elite perimeter defensive skills despite his size and wants to block everything near him. The drawback is some question his maturity and actual court productivity despite his tantalizing skill.

-Jawun Evans-somebody will get a steal in Evans in the 2nd round. Heady PG, dynamic scorer and distributor, however is massively undersized, likely under 6'.

-Jordan Bell-undersized PF, terrific rebounder, defender and athlete.



this Bam kid looks like the real deal. huge get if he is available.
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MY FINAL MOCK-thanks for letting me continually post long, rambling mocks. Love this time of year. Still so much up in the air, but in reality, there's 12 guys at the top who probably will go 1-12. Nobody huge is going to slip so any trade is just in name of team, not by player.

1-PHI-PG-Markelle Fultz-lock it in. Probably the only lock.

2-LAL-PG-Lonzo Ball-seems like they're going to keep this pick regardless of the rumors. If they keep it, Ball is the pick.

3-BOS-F-Jayson Tatum-if there wasn't a good fit here, I'd be more inclined to like BOS's potential of landing a star. But Tatum is a really good player who can play right now. Jaylen Brown hasn't been fantastic and needs to be brought along a bit slower. He can come off the bench. And if BOS does make a trade, it may have to include players which they have little depth right now. Just take Tatum and keep moving forward. They can win 55 games for the next season or two until their next regime comes along with Tatum and whomever they get next year with BKN's pick.

4-PHX-F-Josh Jackson-PHX has been rumored in a lot of trades. None of which to this point have publically included Eric Bledsoe. I could see them picking Fox, but that would include a Bledsoe trade. Take Jackson and keep your 1-3 of Bledsoe, Booker and Jackson.

5-SAC-PG-De'Aron Fox-they'll be elated if Fox lasts to them. The only real threat is PHX taking Fox ahead of SAC, but I don't think they'll be too bummed by getting Jackson too. Fox could answer their PG questions long term.

6-ORL-F-Jonathan Isaac-ORL has a long way to go before they figure everything out and Isaac is going to take awhile, but has a really high ceiling. Patience will be a virtue with him.

7-MIN-PG-Dennis Smith-MIN was rumored to look at a trade of Rubio to DAL for Wes Matthews, as DAL is angling for Ntilikina and might need to jump ahead of NYK for him. That leads me to believe MIN knows if Ntilikina is picked at 7, Smith will fall to them at 9, because NYK won't take Smith. They wouldn't trade their starting PG without a plan to replace him. Maybe that plan is Kris Dunn to run the point, but he was disastrous in his rookie year.

8-NYK-PG-Frank Ntilikina-the rumors of MIN/DAL trade were dead. They could be revived, but if they're not and Ntilikina's on the board, the Knicks will take him.

9-DAL-PF-Lauri Markkanen-with Ntilikina gone, that opens the door for DAL to take Markkanen. He's a nice consolation prize. He may not amount to anything other than a really good shooter, but at this point, you take him and hope he develops into something more. DAL needs more shooting anyway and can fall under the tutelage of Dirk next year.

10-SAC-C-Zach Collins-a haul of Collins and Fox has been predicted for SAC for the last month or so. It scrambles their roster a bit having WCS, Labissiere, Koufus, Papagiannis and now Collins as their big men, but WCS and Koufus become expendable.

11-CHA-SG-Malik Monk-this pick will come down to Monk or Kennard for CHA. Monk's a little more versatile and has a higher ceiling and is a great shooter in his own right, something CHA needs.

12-DET-SG-Luke Kennard-I think DET is dying for Kennard to fall to them. It gives them the ability to let KCP walk to FA where he's going to get severely overpaid.

13-DEN-F/C-Harry Giles-I've pegged DEN to take Giles for awhile. He has the highest upside outside of the top 12. Rumors are that team doctors aren't nearly as concerned about Giles knees as they were a few months ago. He propelled himself into the top 10 conversation for awhile, but I think he settles in DEN.

14-MIA-PF-John Collins-MIA needs some depth up front. They're rumored to be involved in FA conversations of Blake Griffin, but I don't think that'd stifle them from taking Collins. Excellent rebounder, shooting range out to 3.

15-POR-SF-Justin Jackson-POR will try to attach one of their two late picks along with Harkless to rid themselves of his contract. POR is also in win now mode. Jackson provides them depth, maturity, 3 point range and defense.

16-CHI-SG-Donovan Mitchell-I have no idea what CHI's plan is for this pick, but they need an answer in the backcourt beyond 2017 when Wade leaves. Mitchell's really small, but small SG's is the norm nowadays. He can score from anywhere and has elite athleticism.

17-MIL-PF/C-Bam Adebayo-Monroe opting in may give them some pause. If they think they can trade Henson though, I bet they take another big man. The question is, which one? Bam, Leaf, Patton, and Allen are the available bigs here. They brought in Adebayo in a private workout this past week which leads me to believe he may be the front runner.

18-IND-PF-TJ Leaf-IND can go a few directions here, but depth in the front court has to be key. If they trade George, I'd bet Jefferson and Thad Young become instantly available. Jefferson would be harder to move, but at 18, getting Leaf would be good value. He can score all over the court and has great offensive instincts. His major questions are his length and defense.

19-ATL-C-Justin Patton-ATL traded Dwight Howard for Miles Plumlee. I don't think they see Plumlee as their center of the future, but it would give them a year to let a guy like Patton develop. He has the highest upside of any big after Giles.

20-POR-C-Jarrett Allen-if POR can't get rid of their 15th or 20th pick, this would be two great hauls for them. Jackson provides them depth at the 3 while Allen gives them depth in the frontcourt, something POR fans are open to since they hve to watch Meyers Leonard, at 7'2", come out and jack 3's and fear the paint like it's going to kill him. Allen may take a year or two before he's a ready contributor, but POR has that luxury.

21-OKC-G-Frank Jackson-OKC needs instant offense in their backcourt behind Westbrook and Oladipo. Jackson is a bit of a reach at 21, but the last thing OKC needs is another non-shooter, or a big man. I could see them going with a big if they plan to trade Enes Kanter, but his return would probably be less than what he provides them. Jackson would ply a 3rd guard role, something OKC needs badly.

22-BKN-C-Anzejs Pasecniks-BKN has been eyeing Anzejs for awhile. 7'3", good lateral quickness for his size, fluid athlete, can score around the paint and as a spot up shooter. BKN traded Brook Lopez and they need some interior help. Pasecniks is a low risk-high reward player, something BKN needs.

23-TOR-PF/C-DJ Wilson-TOR may have a need at PG, but they could fill in a complimentary guy there. Ibaka is a free agent and it remains to be seen whether TOR is going to pony up max or near max money for him. Wilson may be limited in his game, but he's extremely high energy, wants to block everything in his viscinity and can shoot the 3.

24-UTA-F-Tyler Lydon-I know, a tall, shooting, white guy in UTAH? Get out. But he fits. Utah can always use more shooters and to get one that can play right now this late in the draft is a steal. To me, he's Ersan Ilyasova.

25-ORL-F-OG Anunoby-if ORL is going to swing for the fences with Isaac, why not keep swinging with Anunoby. The concern with him is he tore his ACL in January, so he won't be ready for the start of the season. ORL has a lot of young talent on their team, they don't need to bury another guy. Anunoby can come in, recover, get in some D-League games just before the all-star break and maybe by then, ORL will have packaged some of their young talent together and Anunoby can get into the rotation. He has a really high ceiling as a guy like Gerald Wallace. Ferocious defense and rebounder as a SF.

26-POR-PF-Isaiah Hartenstein-POR won't keep all three 1st rounders, but if they keep this one, they could draft and stash Hartenstein. Legitimate 7', shooter, good athlete, rim roller. But he's nowhere near ready and would be a good bet to draft and stash.

27-LAL-SG-Josh Hart-teams are loving Hart and has moved into the 1st round here. With Russell gone and Nick Young opting out, LAL needs some help in the backcourt, shooting wise. Hart is mature enough to play right now, can shoot from anywhere inside of half court and played on a college team that played ferocious defense.

28-LAL-SG-Terrance Ferguson-I don't think LAL keeps all 3 of these picks, and if they do, one will draft and stash. Hartenstein and Pasecniks are off the board. I'm not sure of Ferguson's ability to be stashed, but he played in AUS last year forgoing his college eligibility. He has some work to do after not doing well against top level guards in this draft during the combine, but he's got a high ceiling.

29-SAS-C-Ike Anigbogu-I can't believe Anigbogu fell this far, but it's possible. At this point, SAS have to take him. He's extremely raw and young, but he has the intangibles to be an elite interior defender, something SAS needs in their front court.

30-UTA-C-Tony Bradley-with UTA needing so much work to do in FA, I'm not sure they keep both 1sts tying up their salary with rookie contracts. At 30, Bradley's pretty decent value. He was a really good offensive rebounder, has a big, wide body and looks to be the part of a role playing big man. He's a bit stiff though, dropping him this low.

Best of the rest-
-Jonah Bolden-I LOVE Bolden. 6'10" PF with guard skills, passes really well, can shoot from 3, and can throw it down from the free throw line. He has elite perimeter defensive skills despite his size and wants to block everything near him. The drawback is some question his maturity and actual court productivity despite his tantalizing skill.

-Jawun Evans-somebody will get a steal in Evans in the 2nd round. Heady PG, dynamic scorer and distributor, however is massively undersized, likely under 6'.

-Jordan Bell-undersized PF, terrific rebounder, defender and athlete.
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No apologies necessary CC as I enjoy reading your takes on the NBA draft, trade rumors, etc.
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wiscopetty
thecrackerjack wrote:
Thoughts on the Bucks drafting DJ Wilson?

It's in line with their recent philosophy - high risk/high reward guys. Honestly when you're picking past like #10 in the NBA Draft, I say go that route anyway.

A long team only gets longer. I like it.
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gstacy
who knows, big long hopefully he can be an improvement over Henson and Teletovic, 10 million salary. just rebound and defend maybe post a bit to keep defenses honest.
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db11
Adebayo was gone by the time MKE picked, so Michigan's D.J. Wilson was the choice instead. More length, and he can shoot a little as well.
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Grading the trades---this might be the most trades EVER on draft night.

CHI trades Jimmy Butler, #16 to MIN for Kris Dunn, Zach LaVine, #7

For CHI-D-...what an absolute shit haul for CHI. Dunn literally graded out as one of the worst rookies last year in many major statistical categories. LaVine is coming off a major ACL injury and will only have him for 1 year. Then, they only moved up from 16 to 7. 7 was in tier 2 of talent, 16 was in tier 3. That really tipped this to a terrible trade for CHI. I doubt Wade plays another minute for CHI, same with Rondo. They are in full re-build mode and have very little to show for it. With #7, they took Lauri Markkanen. He probably has the least potential of any player in the top 10. That's another reason why I don't like this, they couldn't even get into the top 5 to get one of the potential stars.

For MIN-A...I'm not sure how Wiggins and Butler will be together, they both struggle a bit from 3, and a lineup of Rubio, Wiggins, Butler, KAT and Dieng looks good on paper but has no 3 point threat. Regardless, this is a star driven league and they are moving up in the West. With #16, they got Justin Patton. Funny, because Patton has some serious potential. 7' post scorer, great hands, good post instincts, needs work on rebounding and overall defense, but I almost see him and Markkanen in the same boat of role they'll have moving forward.
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SAC trades #10 to POR for #15, #20

For SAC-A...they essentially traded Zach Collins for Justin Jackson and Harry Giles. In all my mocks, Collins fell into SAC's laps and it just didn't seem right with their load of bigs. Instead, they pick up Jackson, a serviceable SF who can shoot and defend and is a phenomenal compliment of tools to Fox and Hield. Getting Giles at 20 is just the icing on the cake. Sure, his knees may be an issue, but his potential is sky high.

For POR-B-...POR was trying to attach a contract to one of their 3 1st rounders to rid themselves of salary. They couldn't, so instead they move up to #10. Collins and Nurkic will be a weird combo together, I think Collins has some potential, but I see him as a center. Nurkic will be extended in the future by POR and is the future for them at center, he did really well there after he was traded from DEN which makes this confusing, but Collins is a good backup for the time being considering their other options are Meyers Leonard.
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DEN trades #13 (Donovan Mitchell) to UTA for #24 (Tyler Lydon) and Trey Lyles

For DEN-B+...DEN was literally the 13th pick in a 12 player draft. So they move back and pick up Lydon, a tall shooter who's a bit athletic and a really good rebounder in the form of Ersan Ilyasova and Lyles. I really like Lyles, he's a great front court partner next to Jokic. Lydon is a bit of a replacement to Danilo Gallinari. Good stash of prospects for the unenvious spot of 13.

For UTA-C...they traded Lyles and are left with Gobert, Favors and Diaw as their lone big men. They're going to lose Whithey to FA. With little cap room to work with, they'll be reliant on minimum salary bigs as backups. Lyles was on a rookie deal and played well showing off decent range. Lydon would've been a perfect fit for them as a 3/4 shooter. Instead, they move up and get Mitchell. I see Mitchell as Dion Waiters which isn't a bad thing, but they have Hayward, Hood, Burks, Joe Johnson and Dante Exum. Adding Mitchell, that's 6 guys that play 1-3. Somebody's going to be the odd man out. It may be Exum, but none of those guys are PG's. And that's before the talks of extending George Hill even starts.
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UTA trades #30 (Josh Hart) and #42 (Thomas Bryant) to LA for #28 (Tony Bradley)

For UTA-C+I see the plan for UTA, they were trying to cut down on the amount of picks they had (3 from 20-32), to take on less salary. Tony Bradley projects as a back up center in the league. He reminds me of Mozgov. A big, burley center who wants to rebound everything. That's a good add for any team, especially one who's going to be hurting in the front court depth-wise. I just thought they could've moved up higher.

For LA-B...I don't know much about Bryant, but Hart is a really good shooter and played on the best defensive team in the nation in college. He can contribute right away and they'll need him after losing Russell via trade and Young opting out. Bryant will spend the year in the D-League.
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ORL trades #25 (Anzejs Pasecniks) to PHI for OKC's 2020 1st rounder and a 2020 2nd rounder

For ORL-B...I thought Pasecniks would've been a great add for them. They have so much young talent though that Pasecniks wouldn't have played. Instead, they pick up a 1st and 2nd. The OKC 1st is heavily protected. Protected from picks 1-20 in 2020-2022, if not conveyed by then, they'll receive two future OKC 2nd rounders. That's good trade bait in the future.

For PHI-A-...LOVE IT! I love Pasecniks. Huge, agile, versatile 7'3" guy who played with Porzingis and has a similar game. They give up some assets, but they have so many trade chips, it's worth it. This definitely spells the ousting of Okafor and Pasecniks is likely to come over.
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Thoughts on the Bucks drafting DJ Wilson?
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Bronson Koenig & Nigel Hayes sign FA deals with the Bucks and Knicks, respectively.

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Nigel Hayes has left the Knicks and signed a 10-day contract with the Lakers:  http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/nigel-hayes-leaves-knicks-signs-10-day-contract-lakers-article-1.3764904
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