mickjagger
Tuesday, 2/26/19

#18-19 Wisconsin (19-8 Overall, 11-5, Big Ten Conf.) at Indiana (13-14, 4-12)

Assembly Hall, Bloomington, IN

Tip-Off:  8:00 pm, CST

Television:  ESPN

Spread:  WI favored by 2.5 points


On Wisconsin !
Wisconsin Sports Network Hall of Fame Inductee, 2012
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mickjagger
Jim Polzin of the Wisconsin State Journal expounds on what I've been b_tching about all season ... namely, the Badgers' inability to finish at the rim when they get inside the paint:

"The No. 19 Badgers (19-8, 11-5 Big Ten Conference) are coming off a breakthrough of sorts as they get set to face Indiana (13-14, 4-12) tonight at Assembly Hall.

UW finished 16 of 31 in the paint during a 69-64 win at Northwestern on Saturday night. That’s not exactly a sparkling rate of success, but it marked the first time the Badgers shot above 50 percent in the paint since going 15 of 28 in that area during a win at Illinois exactly a month earlier.

Wisconsin Sports Network Hall of Fame Inductee, 2012
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db11
Hard to believe this Indiana team ran Marquette out of the gym a few months ago, but here we are.

A Bucky "should-win," but as always a loss would not surprise me in the slightest.
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db11
Badgers lose in double OT in a game that from the midpoint of the second half onward had to have been one of the worst played and officiated games I've ever seen. Indiana was particularly awful, and to many people's amazement, Wisconsin flat-out did not capitalize and had the game swiped from them.

I wasn't surprised that Indiana's backcourt gave Wisconsin fits, but boy-oh-boy was this game there for the taking and Bucky did nothing but gag it away through missed FT shooting (two possessions worth of misses in the 2nd OT alone! That's the game right there if you put those down), Iverson missing a key point blank lay-up for the 17th time in his career, offensive timidness, not hitting open threes in key moments, giving the opposition a free dribble up the court with under 10 seconds to play, and then just letting him drive right, which is all they wanted to do (great coaching).

Nate Reuvers was brutal. Three different times he just flat-out couldn't hold on to the ball in key moments. Culminating in bumbling a perfect strike from Davison like he's never played catch in the backyard ever before that could have gotten Wisconsin at least a look with 0.8 left in double OT. Davison wasn't much better. Trice does alright, but if he has to carry the secondary playmaker load by himself it won't end well for Wisconsin. Overtime was screaming for a dagger three and there was Pritzl buried on the bench after last being seen canning an open three. King did some good stuff during Bucky's erasure of a 10-point deficit and then never saw the floor again.

I don't know. I just don't know. I do know this ain't, and won't ever be again, the Bucky of old, but if we're gonna transition to something new, let's not continue to get bogged down by the shortcomings of previous teams either.

Meh.
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mickjagger
Tuesday, 2/26/19

at Indiana (14-14, 5-12)  75

#18-19 Wisconsin (19-9 Overall, 11-6, Big Ten Conf.)  73 

Final Score, 2 OT's

Game Recap & Box Score:
https://uwbadgers.com/news/2019/2/26/mens-basketball-badgers-drop-double-overtime-thriller-at-indiana.aspx

Disappointment is often relative to one's expectations.  Perhaps Badger men's hoops fans' have to temper their expectations  a tad ...

With that said, I cannot recall a Badger men's hoops team more frustrating to watch, at times, than this 2018-19 squad.
Wisconsin Sports Network Hall of Fame Inductee, 2012
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blade12
Between the level of play and the constant stoppage of play to look at a replay this was one of the worst games to watch in a long, long time.
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Charlie Tweeder
Presented without comment.

Trice: 12 points, 2-10 FG
Davison: 3 points, 1-11 FG

Tyler Herro: 29 points, 9-10 FG
Jordan McCabe: 25 points, 8-19 FG, 11 assists
Tyrese Haliburton: 4.5 assist to turnover ratio (1st in Big 12), 1.7 steals per game (2nd in Big 12), 33.6 minutes per game (5th in Big 12)
Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory, lasts forever.

#GoPackGo
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gstacy
did not see the game but is this a case of playing down to the level of your opponent? I think people need to get benched to hold them accountable till they get the message.
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blade12
Presented without comment.

Trice: 12 points, 2-10 FG
Davison: 3 points, 1-11 FG

Tyler Herro: 29 points, 9-10 FG
Jordan McCabe: 25 points, 8-19 FG, 11 assists
Tyrese Haliburton: 4.5 assist to turnover ratio (1st in Big 12), 1.7 steals per game (2nd in Big 12), 33.6 minutes per game (5th in Big 12)


My opinion:  The style of play at UW is not attractive to today's generation of fast paced, run the floor, and make some sort of mix tape athletic move for a dunk or a layup type of stuff. 

73 points in a 2 OT game?? Against a pretty bad IU team. Was this just one of those games? They avg 70 ppg for the season.  

I am old school and I like Happ and Davison and some others but the name of the game today is get players who can play and win now not wait 2-3 years to develop into players that will never make the NBA anyway.

IMO it's going to be very hard to keep the best in-state talent in state at UW.
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Wisconsin has Kobe and Brevin, Kobe basically his freshman year not a huge impact player. Brevin is limited. Saw an article the other day saying he is a do the dirty work type of player. Not exactly sure what this mean. Or does the reporter know what it means? Next there is Anderson and Hamilton. Neither are as athletic as Brevin and that is saying a lot. None coming in next year.
Kyran Gaines?
Deonte Long?
Ace Evans?
Xzavier Jones?
3 6'5" and a 6'2" player. Have not seen Gaines play. But he puts up good numbers. Ace has the skill but seems to lose focus at times. Needs to play at a high level all the time. Something the current team also needs to do. Xzavier? Did not seem like he had the quickness? I like the kid from Kaukauna but he's going D2. Maybe 2020 will be the year for W
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blade12 wrote:


My opinion:  The style of play at UW is not attractive to today's generation of fast paced, run the floor, and make some sort of mix tape athletic move for a dunk or a layup type of stuff. 

73 points in a 2 OT game?? Against a pretty bad IU team. Was this just one of those games? They avg 70 ppg for the season.  

I am old school and I like Happ and Davison and some others but the name of the game today is get players who can play and win now not wait 2-3 years to develop into players that will never make the NBA anyway.

IMO it's going to be very hard to keep the best in-state talent in state at UW.


I do wonder how many "power brokers" on the basketball recruiting trail steer kids away from Wisconsin-type programs.

I know that Herro really wanted to be a Badger. I also know he wanted the quickest track to a pro career. Ultimately, guess where he got directed. The insane thing is I'm not even sure he'd be starting at Wisconsin this year. Such is how the program is run. It minimizes individual ability in favor of maximizing system potential. That's great and allows you to compete, but I think the peak of that style of doing things culminated in that loss to Duke in 2015. It's incredible to watch guards get a step on their man with a clear path to the hoop only to still get cut off by said defender before actually getting anywhere. Happened several times last night alone. Those are lay-ups for nearly every other team in the country. You have to be able to attack the hoop these days, and not just with a 6'11" big man. To say nothing about knocking down good looks at a much higher clip...

I struggle to see this program getting back to that level as the game continues to evolve at a frightening pace.
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gstacy wrote:
Wisconsin has Kobe and Brevin, Kobe basically his freshman year not a huge impact player. Brevin is limited. Saw an article the other day saying he is a do the dirty work type of player. Not exactly sure what this mean. Or does the reporter know what it means? Next there is Anderson and Hamilton. Neither are as athletic as Brevin and that is saying a lot. None coming in next year.
Kyran Gaines?
Deonte Long?
Ace Evans?
Xzavier Jones?
3 6'5" and a 6'2" player. Have not seen Gaines play. But he puts up good numbers. Ace has the skill but seems to lose focus at times. Needs to play at a high level all the time. Something the current team also needs to do. Xzavier? Did not seem like he had the quickness? I like the kid from Kaukauna but he's going D2. Maybe 2020 will be the year for W


Gaines and Long are ticketed for JUCOs and are mid-major tweener small forward types (think Iverson). Evans and Jones are also mid-major guys at best. Kobe King was superior to both coming out of HS, BTW. 2019 class in Wisconsin is thin on top-end talent.
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db11
Gaines and Long are ticketed for JUCOs and are mid-major tweener small forward types (think Iverson). Evans and Jones are also mid-major guys at best.
Have you seem these guys perform? How would you rank them 1-4 and why?
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db11 wrote:


I do wonder how many "power brokers" on the basketball recruiting trail steer kids away from Wisconsin-type programs.

I know that Herro really wanted to be a Badger. I also know he wanted the quickest track to a pro career. Ultimately, guess where he got directed. The insane thing is I'm not even sure he'd be starting at Wisconsin this year. Such is how the program is run. It minimizes individual ability in favor of maximizing system potential. That's great and allows you to compete, but I think the peak of that style of doing things culminated in that loss to Duke in 2015. It's incredible to watch guards get a step on their man with a clear path to the hoop only to still get cut off by said defender before actually getting anywhere. Happened several times last night alone. Those are lay-ups for nearly every other team in the country. You have to be able to attack the hoop these days, and not just with a 6'11" big man. To say nothing about knocking down good looks at a much higher clip...

I struggle to see this program getting back to that level as the game continues to evolve at a frightening pace.


Heck, I wonder how many "power brokers" steer kids to only certain high schools under the guise of "a different HS program is better for you and the way you play?" 

As I see it, there are 2 ways to be a consistent winner (make the NCAA tournament) type program year in and year out.

#1 Jump into and play in the 1 and done or transfer pool. Remember when Duke didn't do that?  Today Duke has several guys each year do that.  Side note trivia - Who was the first Duke player to leave school early for the NBA? This system also includes taking JUCO guys and other transfers. UW has a transfer coming in next year.

#2 Use the "draft and develop" method: Turn 2 and 3 star guys into 4-5 star guys with experience over time. To maintain this level of play you have to be able to develop kids and you cannot miss on entire "draft" classes or have guys not buy into this system and leave early via transfer or to enter the draft.
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gstacy wrote:
db11
Gaines and Long are ticketed for JUCOs and are mid-major tweener small forward types (think Iverson). Evans and Jones are also mid-major guys at best.
Have you seem these guys perform? How would you rank them 1-4 and why?


1. Jones
2. Long
3. Gaines
4. Evans

Several times. I actually love Gaines' game, but I don't think it translates all that well at the next level. He's smooth and makes shots, but he's not overly athletic and he has a release that would be severly hampered playing top-level defenders night in and night out. Long is undone by a lack of height, as he is not a guard at the collegiate level.

Evans and Jones are the kinda guys that could likely thrive in the Horizon league, but would likely be hard-pressed to become consistent rotation guys at a major-conference school.
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